Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

So now one has to have been a volunteer to recall reps? Sport, not buying if. They have a job to do and they're not doing it. Not volunteering doesn't preclude me from scrutinizing their effectiveness.

Well, all airlines had a recall during negotiations and you do not have to be a volunteer.

In fact america west pilots took time out of their scabbing and pilot dui problems to have a recall.

"ALPA's Communications Department provides information and support for news media inquiries. An ALPA communications representative can be reached in the Herndon, Va. office at (703) 481-4440.

News Release​

February 14, 2002​

America West Pilots Elect Union Leader, Prepare to Resume Contract Talks​

PHOENIX — With the election of a new chairman and the re-appointment of a negotiating committee, the pilots of America West, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA), are set to resume mediated contract negotiations with the airline in March.
The America West pilots’ union governing body, the Master Executive Council (MEC), voted unanimously yesterday to elect Captain Herb Holland as the union’s new chairman. Holland replaces Captain Roger Cox, who was recalled from office by the MEC in January.
"I am honored to serve my fellow pilots as we resume negotiations for a fair contract with America West," Captain Holland said. "With the outstanding team we have in place and the support of all America West pilots behind us, we are ready to return to the table to achieve a working agreement that recognizes the sacrifices the pilots have made to help our airline survive and succeed."
Holland, a former Marine Corps pilot and Vietnam combat veteran, has been with America West since 1990. Holland previously served as the union’s Grievance Committee chairman.
In addition, the MEC appointed Captains Kimble Neel, Doug Dotter, and Jeff O’Connell and First Officer Russ Payne to the union’s Negotiating Committee. Captain John Chesire will serve as an alternate member of the committee.
Negotiations between the pilots and America West began in February 2000 and their current contract became amendable on May 1, 2000. Beginning in May 2001, talks were conducted under the auspices of a federally appointed mediator but were postponed after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Including the 1,800 America West pilots, ALPA represents 64,000 pilots at 45 airlines in the United States and Canada.

# # #​

ALPA Contact: Scott Sherrin, (602) 306-4100

 

[Claxon]

Integrity always matters Metroyet. Do you have any examples of who you found that did not have integrity?

Metroyet, need more time? I understand, scary world is it not?

 

[prechilill]

The reason the ALPA recall was obvious. There was no secret agenda.

Perhaps the agenda for a recall now isn't so secret as some would imagine, but they are entitled to be silent about their agenda if they chose to be.

A good read re: First Officer Scott Theuer

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/ForYourFilesUSAPAPayCommittees.pdf

 

[prechilill]

Another good read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability_fraud

 

[Claxon]

http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/ALPA_Images/ImageView.aspx?itemid=3423

 

[Claxon]

Herb,
This is an open letter to you, so feel free to distribute it as you wish.
I'd like to say that I have thoroughly enjoyed our conversations in the past, appreciate
the perspective from the "West," and value your insight developed over your many
years of ALPA experience.
And it was a real pleasure to see you at our picketing event in PHL, and to see you
lead the long line of pilots as we did our march down the sidewalk in front of the
international ticket counters. Thank you for being there, and we need to do much
more of this type of "cross picketing" between our West and East pilot groups.
Indeed, last fall I did break off our discussions, and I would like to publicly state why.
As I told you then, in my view your constant and incessant attacks on your MEC,
regardless of who the current Reps might be, is damaging and destructive to all which
we are collectively trying to accomplish at the negotiating table.
As Jack Stephan said once to the East MEC..."what would Doug Parker most not want
to hear?" And the answer, hands down, is Union Solidarity. What, then, would Parker
most want to hear? Sadly, Herb, it would be the next edition of U-Turn.
As many will readily attest, I'm not easily led. Neither are you, and I respect that. But
today we are engaged in a battle, the results of which will have profound
consequences for the well being of both our pilot groups, and all of us in ALPA are
on the same side of that struggle.
I am convinced that your Reps, as ours, to a man, are doing their level best to achieve
our negotiating goals as set out by our JNC. Governance by democracy, especially
through a committee structure, is an imperfect process to be sure, but it beats the Hell
out of the alternative. What's most important, however, is that the players in this
process have only one motive, and that's doing what's best for the collective pilot
group, and in so doing building and strengthening our Union.
I believe we are there, and we will succeed.
My Regards,
Garland
CC: East and West MEC

 

[Claxon]

August 2003. Your right, maybe I should forget about the past. Now after this I found ...''''';;;;;

P # Name Seat/Eq Week Picked-Up Number of Days Slot COMMENTS
P0113 GADZIK B757CA 21 7 1
P0193 DONOVAN A320 CA 35 7 1
P0263 HERRICK B737CA 41 7 1
P0263 HERRICK B737CA 50B 3 1 BACK OF WK.50
P0304 MARTIN B757CA 26 7 1
P0315 NELSON B737CA 50B 3 2 BACK OF WK. 50
P0328 LYNCH B757CA 30 7 1
P0342 SHORES B737CA 17 7 1
P0361 HARDY B737CA 42 7 1
P0440 O'HARA B737CA 46 7 1
P0460 SCHOW B757CA 14 7 1
P0461 JONES B737CA 50F 3 3 FRONT OF WK 50
P0466 WAMBOLT A320CA 49B 3 1
P0473 AVERBECK B737CA 20B 3 1 BACK OF WK 20
P0488 DAVEY B757CA 23 7 1
P0488 DAVEY B757CA 31 7 1
P0488 DAVEY B757CA 35 7 1
P0488 DAVEY B757CA 41 7 1
P0522 ERICKSON B757CA 29 7 1
P0574 WHETTEN A320 CA 17 7 1
P0580 MYER B757CA 22 7 1
P0604 HURT B737CA 52 7 1
P0608 RHEUDASIL B757CA 35 7 2
P0608 RHEUDASIL B757CA 42F 3 1 FRONT OF WK 42
P0803 WIRRICK A320 CA 16 7 1
P0838 KINNEY A320 CA 19B 3 1 BACK OF WK 19
P1180 FRITZ A320 CA 14 7 1
P1180 FRITZ A320 CA 36 7 1
P1180 FRITZ A320CA 49 7 2
P1189 McEWEN A320 CA 37 7 2
P1192 FRICK A320 CA 37 7 1
P1313 COOK A320 CA 46 7 1
P1328 MILLER A320 CA 18 7 1
P1406 WERTS A320 CA 20 7 1
P1406 WERTS A320CA 46 7 2
P1475 BRUMITT A320 CA 40 7 1
P1499 VERETT A320 CA 37 7 3
P1675 COBB A320 CA 41 7 1
P1691 MILLER B757CA 20 6 1
P1691 MILLER B757CA 27 7 1
P1713 LIETS A320 CA 45 7 1
P1728 NEAL A320 CA 40 7 2
P1761 BELLAIRS A320 CA 38 7 1
P1765 HAKES A320FO 51 7 1
P1770 BORGOGNI A320 CA 40 7 3
P1790 MURDOCK A320 CA 43 6 1 FRONT OF WK 43
P1790 MURDOCK A320 CA 44 7 1
P1790 MURDOCK A320CA 48 7 1
P1879 WARD A320 CA 39 6 1 FRONT OF WK 39
P1880 ARMSTRONG A320 FO 40 7 1
P1926 LARKIN A320 CA 39 7 2
P1987 BECK B737 FO 35 7 1
P1987 BECK B737 FO 36 7 1
P2004 GENSLER A320 FO 46 7 1
P2004 GENSLER A320 FO 47 7 1
P2021 RUETTINGER A320 CA 41 7 2
P2053 TRENT B737CA 49 7 1
P2060 JANSMA A320 CA 39 7 3
P2112 DAVIS A320 FO 41 7 1
VACATION SHUFFLE BID AWARD 08-03
PHX SHUFFLE AWARD
P # Name Seat/Eq Week Picked-Up Number of Days Slot COMMENTS
P2145 HAMMERSCHMIDT A320 CA 41 7 3
P2169 WORKMAN A320 FO 35F 4 1 FRONT OF WK 45
P2169 WORKMAN A320 FO 40 7 2
P2169 WORKMAN A320FO 51 7 2
P2170 EDWARDS B757 FO 51 7 1
P2208 BLOOD A320 FO 47F 4 2 FRONT OF WK 47
P2222 BINA B737CA 50F 4 3 FRONT OF WK 50
P2235 MOSELEY A320 FO 48 7 1
P2236 WALTERS A320FO 51 7 3
P2247 HULME A320FO 52 7 1
P2252 BRAID A320 FO 44 7 1
P2282 VOLPATO A320 FO 39F 3 1 FRONT OF WK.39
P2283 GREEN B737 FO 35 7 2
P2327 COUNTISS A320 FO 45 7 1
P2345 HECKMASTER A320 FO 47 7 3
P2347 FORWALK A320 FO 40 7 3
p2362 HAYWARD A320 FO 47B 3 3 BACK OF WK. 47
P2375 HAGAN A320 FO 20B 3 1 BACK OF WK .20
P2375 HAGAN A320FO 52 7 2
P2391 BEAMAN A320 FO 39B 3 2 BACK OF WK .39
P2410 NELSON B757 FO 26 7 1
P2424 HAGAN A320 FO 40 7 4
P2443 MORRIS B757 FO 41 7 1
P2468 CUNNINGHAM II A320FO 48 7 2
P2468 CUNNINGHAM II A320FO 49 7 1
P2468 CUNNINGHAM II A320FO 50 7 1
P2480 CHERRIX A320 FO 18 7 1
P2518 DODGE B757 FO 23 7 1
P2604 ADAMSON A320FO 50 7 2
P2637 BALDWIN B737 FO 39 7 1
P2663 HAMMER A320 FO 36 7 1
P2675 EAKIN A320 FO 41 7 2
P2713 BAKER B737 FO 39 7 2
P2729 BEARD A320 FO 19 7 1
P2744 HAARHUIS B737 FO 45 7 1
P2744 HAARHUIS B737CA 45 7 1
P2765 GRAY A320FO 49 7 2
P2766 FRANK A320FO 48 7 3
P2782 GUNDERSON A320 FO 19 7 2
P2790 LAWRENCE A320 FO 41 7 3
P2790 LAWRENCE A320FO 45 7 2
P2854 STROUP A320 FO 43 7 1
P2925 ROBBERS A320 FO 41 7 4
P2948 MCDONALD B737 FO 36 7 2
P2970 WALKER A320 FO 37 7 1
P # Name Seat/Eq Week Picked-Up Number of Days Slot
P2764 CHMIEL A320 FO 36 7 1
P2764 CHMIEL A320 FO 37 7 1
LAS SHUFFLE AWARD
PHX SHUFFLE AWARD cont.

 

[Claxon]

"Indeed, last fall I did break off our discussions, and I would like to publicly state why.
As I told you then, in my view your constant and incessant attacks on your MEC,
regardless of who the current Reps might be, is damaging and destructive to all which
we are collectively trying to accomplish at the negotiating table."

East pilot rep to west mec new rep after a west recall.

Hey, I found another one, I will post it in the near future. west scabs, drug flyers, drunk flyers and franke boys, you reap what you sew.

 

[machflyer]

Integrity is what it's all about...wow. I can't believe you said that Metroyet.
You've got issues son.
DCA319, of course you don't have to be a volunteer, now or previously to hold your reps feet to the fire. But, I was just wondering what kind of background and how many different shoes you've worn.
I have my answer.

 

[Metroyet]

Metroyet, need more time? I understand, scary world is it not?

there isn't enough time in the day to describe all of the USAPA scabs and detail their lack of integrity. Suffice it to say that one reaps what one sows...how's your career progressed?

 

[cleardirect]

August 2003. Your right, maybe I should forget about the past. Now after this I found ...''''';;;;;

P # Name Seat/Eq Week Picked-Up Number of Days Slot COMMENTS

LAS SHUFFLE AWARD
PHX SHUFFLE AWARD cont.

Wow dude. You must be completely out of argument. The only thing you have left is posting vacation award?

It is obvious that you have no clue what that list was back in 2003.

Get a life.

 

[machflyer]

Amazing how often the term "scab" is misused on this forum.
Metroyet, you and your friends need to read some labor history, AWA is listed...not AAA.

It'll all workout, don't be so toxic, relax.
If you still have your health, be thankful.
Don't sweat the small stuff, which you have little or no control over.

You have an empty soul...

 

[cactusboy53]

Amazing how often the term "scab" is misused on this forum.
Metroyet, you and your friends need to read some labor history, AWA is listed...not AAA.

It'll all workout, don't be so toxic, relax.
If you still have your health, be thankful.
Don't sweat the small stuff, which you have little or no control over.

You have an empty soul...

Pot.....Kettle. Perhaps you should look a little more close to home. A RAY of light in the dark often will show CRIMInal activity.

 

[Claxon]

Amazing how often the term "scab" is misused on this forum.
Metroyet, you and your friends need to read some labor history, AWA is listed...not AAA.

It'll all workout, don't be so toxic, relax.
If you still have your health, be thankful.
Don't sweat the small stuff, which you have little or no control over.

You have an empty soul...

Metroyet is one of the merry little band of Trans States rats that want to steal what they never earned. At all costs. It is rather fun watching them come unglued.

 

[dca319]

I have my answer.

And what are you going to do with it?