Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Portly Dorman]

You can ask about the B-scale all you want. I wasn't on the property at the time, and am proud to say, I was a soldier in the fight to end it. I doubt I'd be able to answer your question to your rhetorical satisfaction anyway. You don't accept correct or true answerers at face value, and there's little pilot in engaging with you.

BTW, Easties are flying mainline jets for commuter wages since what 2004? When did LOA93 come into effect?

As Sheldon would say.....BAZINGA!

http://youtu.be/skQGve3XksU

 

[EastUS1]

...and am proud to say, I was a soldier in the fight to end it.

Sheesh! Yet another heroic little self-styled "soldier"...? ...And just when the place was already overrun with "spartans", "knights" and "dire wolves". 😉

 

[Portly Dorman]

Sheesh! Yet another heroic little, self-styled "soldier"...? ...And just when the place was already overrun with "spartans", "knights" and "dire wolves". 😉

Grow up kid.

Better than Lairs, Cheats and Thieves.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Accepted by Prater. Delivered by Prater to Parker. Accepted by Parker, and meets the constraints that he gave the process. Sitting on Parker's desk.

DOH (or DOH-lite) list? Not on Parker's desk. Not accepted by Parker.

The ONLY reason that it has not been utilized is by your childish withdraw from the JNC and the further childish assembly of a new union for the principal purpose of evading the Nicolau seniority list.

Mike and Randy already schooled you in June/July 2000 "Airwaves": No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.

Hurry up now and drop that DOH list on Parker's desk. Hurry now. We've been waiting 1753 days since USAPA's promised contract and plan.....

Doug and Scott already told you numerous times that "accepted" means nothing. Go see the crew news video again if you wish. As for ALPA, they aren't here any more. Every merger moves this group further away from them. The Nic is still a non-player. I can't see the AA guys wanting it either, as it clearly benefits very young, junior west guys over the older guys at AA and LCC with more longevity. It's a loser any way you see it.

I watched USAPA's merger counsel say that a DOH proposal was going to be USAPA's list, as outlined in the C&BLs. No Nic. With no bump, no flush provisions, no one will lose a position they currently have. That is all the company cares about. Counsel also said that you could sue again, if you wish. It will be as successful as the last time.

 

[luvthe9]

BTW, Easties are flying mainline jets for commuter wages since what 2004? When did LOA93 come into effect?

Yea, but we are not BANKRUPT now and do not NEED to merge. Oh and thanks you for the original B-scale, you boys at AA own that one.

 

[luvthe9]

Better than Lairs, Cheats and Thieves.

Oh that means alot coming rom a scab ridden airline like AWA. Still keep in touch with your hero Dan Cloud?

 

[Portly Dorman]

Yea, but we are not BANKRUPT now and do not NEED to merge. Oh and thanks you for the original B-scale, you boys at AA own that one.

Good luck there Courtney, AWA wasn't in BK. You seemed to say 'we're bigger get over it'. Shoes on the other foot now, get over it.

 

[Portly Dorman]

Oh that means alot coming rom a scab ridden airline like AWA. Still keep in touch with your hero Dan Cloud?

Yep, that's what the extra $50k a year I make over an east captain goes to....

http://www.watervistarealty.com/

 

[EastUS1]

Good luck there Courtney, AWA wasn't in BK. You seemed to say 'we're bigger get over it'. Shoes on the other foot now, get over it.

So then: flipping 180 degrees from the position the west vehemently espoused during the AWA-US debacle "makes sense" to you now, and you're perfectly happy, even indeed joyous with accepting what amounts to second-class-citizenship at the combined entity to be? I see. Sigh! Who could argue with such consistent "logic"? 😉

 

[nic4us]

Hardly. My earnest belief is that the company very much wants the the contained concessions and would be back at the table with a better offer. I further believe that the language in the instrument, as it stands, would/will prove every bit as disastrous as was the case with LOA93's language and badly needs more work. You would know that if you had bothered to read prior postings.

Given that your above post defines an individual either incapable, or willfully unable to attempt any critical reading and understanding,...well....you're on your own here. I now leave you good west folks to "intelligently" discuss the issues here by indulging in your incessant nyaah, nyaahs and ill wishes towards the east,...while seemingly unaware that
you're contained within the same group with those you wish to see harmed.

Sigh! Good luck to all concerned.

My post was in response to post asking Luv9 for his contingency plan if the company does not come back if we were to vote down the MOU.

We have already read your position, and as I understand it, you feel the MOU language is too vague and want to go back and straighten that out. However, there is the same dilemma. If the company does not come back you won't straighten out anything.

However, if the MOU passes, the lawyers have said the intent and context is well documented, and we would be filing grievances as part of a group of 14,000 and have much greater leverage to peruse those grievances than say a splinter group of 3000 who think they have a 3% raise coming from the not as vague language in LOA93.

 

[AAviator]

Yea, but we are not BANKRUPT now and do not NEED to merge. Oh and thanks you for the original B-scale, you boys at AA own that one.

Yea, but look at who's 'livin it with no end in sight?

How poetic.... You're on a "C" scale and the APA is going to fix it for you..

Oh, the irony.............

 

[EastUS1]

If the company does not come back you won't straighten out anything.

Indeed = IF.

"...the lawyers have said the intent and context is well documented..." I'd offer the thought that those weren't the company's lawyers saying that.

 

[traderjake]

Oh and thanks you for the original B-scale, you boys at AA own that one.

Piedmont had the orginal B scale although it wasn't call that.

New hires were paid 10% less for the first 5 years in the contract before the official B scale.

 

[nic4us]

Doug and Scott already told you numerous times that "accepted" means nothing. Go see the crew news video again if you wish. As for ALPA, they aren't here any more. Every merger moves this group further away from them. The Nic is still a non-player. I can't see the AA guys wanting it either, as it clearly benefits very young, junior west guys over the older guys at AA and LCC with more longevity. It's a loser any way you see it.

I watched USAPA's merger counsel say that a DOH proposal was going to be USAPA's list, as outlined in the C&BLs. No Nic. With no bump, no flush provisions, no one will lose a position they currently have. That is all the company cares about. Counsel also said that you could sue again, if you wish. It will be as successful as the last time.

You watched usapa merger counsel? Really? The guy who put another chip in the West DFR bank by stating out loud that he represents 3500 pilots at uscaba?

Uscaba can try and go with a DFR certain DOH list that has absolutely zero history at LCC other than in Bradford's wet dream, but I am thinking it won't even make it past a certification process if one is outlined in the SLI protocol.

 

[AAviator]

Piedmont had the orginal B scale although it wasn't call that.

New hires were paid 10% less for the first 5 years in the contract before the official B scale.

GREAT POINT!

They were also the only airline that had F/O's making more than Captains.. Baby Fokkers were cool though....