Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

Didn't you say that he said that he NEEDED relief from C of C? That's different than saying you don't trust him.

What Parker said specifically was that he did NOT need relief from the CoC. That any deal would be structured to NOT trigger that.

 

[nycbusdriver]

[background=#fff][background=transparent]Going to be fun sitting in PHL on those stormy days and NOT get paid!!!![/background][/background]

Huh? Last time I checked, block time starts when you leave the gate.

If you haven't left the gate, you weren't being paid under the current system either.

 

[Pi brat]

What Parker said specifically was that he did NOT need relief from the CoC. That any deal would be structured to NOT trigger that.

I know, that's what I told PHX when I asked him if he could point out where Parker said he did need relief as I saw him say the opposite. And the mechanics lost a grievance on the C of C in our merger. And he attempted a merger with DL without trying to get relief on C of C. And I've heard nothing of him trying to get relief from the mechanics on their current C of C.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Of course they "asked." It is in their best interest to remove any (including potential) obstacles to the creation of the world's largest airline. And we used our little bit of leverage to get EVERYONE paid, not just East Group II and above. If a pilot does not feel enough was obtained for that transition, then simply vote no. Our professional negotiators have listened to Ciabattoni's alternate path (grieve and sue) and determined it simply does not pay enough, does not pay everyone, and is not worth the risks (note the plural, and note seniority integration with us at LOA 93 rates.) And oh yes, the entire BPR, our governing body gave their bond and word in a vote supporting the MOU. Our pilots have actually had enough time to be engaged in this MOU, some more than others. But what is crystal clear, we are choosing a path more than an interim agreement. Yes is one path, No is another. Really. Greeter

The "CREATION" path has been used sooo many times only to consolidate then to "RECREATE" this MOU has so many holes in it, if it were SWISS CHEESE you would not buy it, sold to the WEST as a NIC ripeness argument and an EAST figment of your raise imagination! No the BPR voted to give it to the pilots, my guess 'we know who" voted for it and who did not! What is more than crystal clear is " I am getting a bancruptcy contract all over again and have no sense of self worth to demand better, THANK YOU "GIVE IT AWAY GARY"!

 

[Hate2fly]

MOU expires 12-31-2018. Dougie the bar room brawler kicked our ass on this pos MOU.

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[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

MOU expires 12-31-2018. Dougie the bar room brawler kicked our ass on this pos MOU.

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Scope and CoC gone DUI will use the economic conditions and MOU signing as well as AOL litigation to drag this into E190 heaven! Do we get interest on our money DUI use till 2018, 5 years , really?

 

[A320 Driver]

The "CREATION" path has been used sooo many times only to consolidate then to "RECREATE" this MOU has so many holes in it, if it were SWISS CHEESE you would not buy it, sold to the WEST as a NIC ripeness argument and an EAST figment of your raise imagination! No the BPR voted to give it to the pilots, my guess 'we know who" voted for it and who did not! What is more than crystal clear is " I am getting a bancruptcy contract all over again and have no sense of self worth to demand better, THANK YOU "GIVE IT AWAY GARY"!

Our advisors and the NAC ALL said the language is solid. That makes you another junior lawyer. If you are so unhappy with it, send the additional money and benefits back to the company. You can protest by staying on LOA93.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

The "CREATION" path has been used sooo many times only to consolidate then to "RECREATE" this MOU has so many holes in it, if it were SWISS CHEESE you would not buy it, sold to the WEST as a NIC ripeness argument and an EAST figment of your raise imagination! No the BPR voted to give it to the pilots, my guess 'we know who" voted for it and who did not! What is more than crystal clear is " I am getting a bancruptcy contract all over again and have no sense of self worth to demand better, THANK YOU "GIVE IT AWAY GARY"!

I guess by the strict definition we are indeed on the way to getting a BK contract. But we don't even have a merger yet, much less an MTA or JCBA. Sad thing is this "substandard agreement" is a great improvement over our current BK contract, the one almost a decade old. I don't believe the sky is falling fears of 190s, but even if I ended up on that plane, I would be making more in Jan 2016 than a 76 C/O does now. There is calculated risk in this transaction. There is no apparent risk in staying safely where we are at, although I question our long term chances of success. Like I said earlier, we are voting on a path to take. Don't really understand you tagging anyone with "give away." Each and every member in good standing can say no if they want.Guess this is just for fun tonight, I am sure everyone has made up their mind by now.Greeter

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Our advisors and the NAC ALL said the language is solid. That makes you another junior lawyer. If you are so unhappy with it, send the additional money and benefits back to the company. You can protest by staying on LOA93.

Let me guess you voted for LOA 93, when DUI gets done you will wish you had LOA 93 and your COC and Scope, but then again your the one always hoping someone stands up for you because you aint willing to do it yourself! As I stated perfect, No sense of self worth, OUR ADVISORS, luv that one , isn't that what the APA said at their first offer, your justification at your lack ball less thinking is simply laughable!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I guess by the strict definition we are indeed on the way to getting a BK contract. But we don't even have a merger yet, much less an MTA or JCBA. Sad thing is this "substandard agreement" is a great improvement over our current BK contract, the one almost a decade old. I don't believe the sky is falling fears of 190s, but even if I ended up on that plane, I would be making more in Jan 2016 than a 76 C/O does now. There is calculated risk in this transaction. There is no apparent risk in staying safely where we are at, although I question our long term chances of success. Like I said earlier, we are voting on a path to take. Don't really understand you tagging anyone with "give away." Each and every member in good standing can say no if they want.Guess this is just for fun tonight, I am sure everyone has made up their mind by now.Greeter

Well yes we are getting less than tha APA BK contract BAZINGA! "But even if", Their is a calculated risk ?, Make no bones about it, you are correct, "WE ARE VOTING ON A PATH TO TAKE" , my advice look at the last path your were on, you will be on it till 2018, only your taxes won't pay for any path improvements only APA highways! LIVE with your decision , stand by your conviction, and welcome " WE TOLD YOU SO!"

 

[Hate2fly]

This MOU shows you what happens when you put a prior check pilot at the helm. The compass boys played a major roll in putting Hummel/Bradford/Smyser/Streble and Weidner in position to birth this pos. They were smarter than everybody! Good luck to all of us.

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[Walmartgreeter]

Well yes we are getting less than tha APA BK contract BAZINGA! "But even if", Their is a calculated risk ?, Make no bones about it, you are correct, "WE ARE VOTING ON A PATH TO TAKE" , my advice look at the last path your were on, you will be on it till 2018, only your taxes won't pay for any path improvements only APA highways! LIVE with your decision , stand by your conviction, and welcome " WE TOLD YOU SO!"

I hear you. But the last thing I care about is who gets bragging rights, however this all turns out. My decision on how to vote was based on what I perceive to be the best outcome for me and my family, with exactly 7 years left. Nothing more. Your choice seems to be based on other issues, but your call regardless.And to digress...a question for you. If the CLT and PHL reps were so dead set against this "path" why did they not use roll call to shoot it down? This was exactly the scenero envisioned where the use of that tool would be proper, if that is the correct term. I seem to remember their original (and wrong) fear was that it would be Gary that would prevent a vote. I just don't get it. They could have stopped this thing in its tracks, called Parker's bluff, etc. They did not. And they had the votes to do so. Why is the President being held as the "give away" guy and not the reps?Greeter

 

[Hate2fly]

Greeter you guys had the recall going on the CLT guys. Boy, did you get your clocks cleaned on that one. Come on, you are not fooling anyone on here. We all know who you guys are just like you know who we are. Tell Bradford your good buddy he is a real disappointment.

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[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I hear you. But the last thing I care about is who gets bragging rights, however this all turns out. My decision on how to vote was based on what I perceive to be the best outcome for me and my family, with exactly 7 years left. Nothing more. Your choice seems to be based on other issues, but your call regardless.And to digress...a question for you. If the CLT and PHL reps were so dead set against this "path" why did they not use roll call to shoot it down? This was exactly the scenero envisioned where the use of that tool would be proper, if that is the correct term. I seem to remember their original (and wrong) fear was that it would be Gary that would prevent a vote. I just don't get it. They could have stopped this thing in its tracks, called Parker's bluff, etc. They did not. And they had the votes to do so. Why is the President being held as the "give away" guy and not the reps?Greeter

"Bragging rights" GREETER, Do you think I expect you not to vote your "SELF INTEREST", you have nothing but yours to guide you, But when, "YOUR SELF INTEREST" goes to play into the moral and economic issues of DUI DOUG, yea I have a problem with rest of the issues, your self serving, but I give you credit for admitting it, I am self serving to the pilots and the path I have chosen, so be it, when you limit your opyions in life, what you get is , limited options, BTW luv that line in WALLSTREET" Where were you when you know you sold out"!

 

[high*flyer]

Im putting the MOU over/under : in favor of at 68%....I'm saying over, a bird in the hand...