Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

I suspect the CLT reps voted in favor of the MOU because they believed many pilots could forgive them for only forcing retro pay under threat of recall as part of a passive set of officers and BPR collegues, but would not likely be forgiven for singularly using their power to prevent pilots from voting on an MOU, even as weak as it is. Everyone knows who is responsible for it and the recent recall results and the vote in PHL reveal that.

[font=Arial']The retro pay is a red herring. Like Jamie in PHL said yesterday, before his untimely demise, that pay was NOT a result of the CLT reps, rather a symptom of the process that somehow allowed them to vote yes, having said for days they would not. I will actually never understand their logic on that, especially considering they COULD HAVE SHOT IT DOWN. Does not really matter, but a year from now, or someday, the truth will come out about that meeting. Probably won't matter then. Let me be clear, the CLT reps are NOT responsible for the so called retro pay. Guess I need to turn in. Whatever happens, happens. Only the post mortem matters now.

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[Pi brat]

I suspect the CLT reps voted in favor of the MOU because they believed many pilots could forgive them for only forcing retro pay under threat of recall as part of a passive set of officers and BPR collegues, but would not likely be forgiven for singularly using their power to prevent pilots from voting on an MOU, even as weak as it is. Everyone knows who is responsible for it and the recent recall results and the vote in PHL reveal that.

1. Tentative collective bargaining agreements, interim agreements and/or amendments to the basic collective bargaining agreement and agreements of affiliation or merger with other labor organizations shall be submitted to the Board of Pilot Representatives for review.
2. After reviewing any tentative agreement, the Board of Pilot Representatives shall vote to either approve or reject a membership ratification ballot for such agreement. Only those ratification ballots approved by the Board of Pilot Representatives by a majority vote shall be forwarded to the affected membership for a ratification vote. Each approved ratification ballot must be accompanied by a BPR voting recommendation to “Approve” or “Disapprove” when distributed to all members in good standing.

 

[Pi brat]

I don't know what should amuse me more, the fact you put so much interest in my opinion or that you tacitly accept Parker's words during a non-attribution crew news.

You make a valiant attempt at diversion. This has nothing to do with whether I believe everything Parker says. It is about what YOU said. Did you or did you not write that Parker said he needed relief on the C of C? If so, when and provide the quote. Simple.

 

[traderjake]

I suspect the CLT reps voted in favor of the MOU because they believed many pilots could forgive them for only forcing retro pay under threat of recall as part of a passive set of officers and BPR collegues, but would not likely be forgiven for singularly using their power to prevent pilots from voting on an MOU, even as weak as it is.

They were against the MOU before they were for it, before they were against it.

 

[Phoenix]

You make a valiant attempt at diversion. This has nothing to do with whether I believe everything Parker says. It is about what YOU said. Did you or did you not write that Parker said he needed relief on the C of C? If so, when and provide the quote. Simple.

Diversion..

He needs it or he doesn't and would have already moved forward without it if he was telling the truth in crew news.

More importantly, the UCC is voting next week and AMR BOD won't vote either until they have the USAir pilot sell price locked in via ratification.

The UCC and AMR BOD are waiting for an answer from us in order to procede to making $1B extra a year. If now is not the time to say "we would like to say yes but no, unless x, y, or z" then there will never ever be a more opportune time for members to say no. Never. Or in the alternative DUI and the UCC should be trusted to be altruistic and will deliver every assumption that can be opptomistically presumed to be intended, making a "not yet" vote imprudent and offensive. Simple. 🙂

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Phoenix said: "If now is not the time to say "we would like to say yes but no, unless x, y, or z" then there will never ever be a more opportune time for members to say no. "

The more "opportune" time would have been the BPR vote. WHY did all of CLT and 2/3 PHL choose NOT to make that call? They had the roll call. Would that be the "we" you refer to?
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[Phoenix]

[font=Arial']The retro pay is a red herring. Like Jamie in PHL said yesterday, before his untimely demise, that pay was NOT a result of the CLT reps, rather a symptom of the process that somehow allowed them to vote yes, having said for days they would not. I will actually never understand their logic on that, especially considering they COULD HAVE SHOT IT DOWN. Does not really matter, but a year from now, or someday, the truth will come out about that meeting. Probably won't matter then. Let me be clear, the CLT reps are NOT responsible for the so called retro pay. Guess I need to turn in. Whatever happens, happens. Only the post mortem matters now.

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70% of CLT pilots probably think a more firm stance toward management pays off and 30% of CLT pilots are probably concerned that a more firm stance against management could scuttle the $1B/yr deal. Not sure why anyone would think DUI coughed up more promises without a necessity to get more fish on the deck.

 

[traderjake]

70% of CLT pilots probably think a more firm stance toward management pays off and 30% of CLT pilots are probably concerned that a more firm stance against management could scuttle the $1B/yr deal.

So now you think you have the power to scuttle the $1B/yr deal?

Since it looks like Parker will be the new boss I'm pretty sure he'd just as soon keep us on LOA 93 another couple of years.

 

[Phoenix]

Phoenix said: "If now is not the time to say "we would like to say yes but no, unless x, y, or z" then there will never ever be a more opportune time for members to say no. "

The more "opportune" time would have been the BPR vote. WHY did all of CLT and 2/3 PHL choose NOT to make that call? They had the roll call. Would that be the "we" you refer to?
Greeter

A weak divided BPRs vote has nothing to do with the AMR BOD and UCC waiting on the USAIR pilot sell price being cemented via ratification.

BPR members have their own motivations for how they voted, especially with recalls being bandied about. Even you vehemently denied the unanimous nature of votes on MOU 1.

Should we let a "unanimous" vote, that was anything but, blind us to the reality of the AMR BOD and the UCC waiting on us. Even the APA pilots facing 1113 imposed contracts had the sense to know the limits of their divided leaders, and were undeterred in their collective answer.

 

[Phoenix]

So now you think you have the power to scuttle the $1B/yr deal?.

The only people thinking we could scuttle a $1B/yr deal are the ones terrified the CLT reps might have delayed our ability to vote "yes" soon enough to save the deal, and supported the attempt to recall them to keep the deal safe.

 

[traderjake]

Happy to hear you admit we don't have the power to scuttle the $1B/yr deal.

The UCC already knew that.

 

[cleardirect]

Scope and CoC gone DUI will use the economic conditions and MOU signing as well as AOL litigation to drag this into E190 heaven! Do we get interest on our money DUI use till 2018, 5 years , really?

You need to explain this 190 fear.

You keep telling everyone that will listen that you are going to get DOH. How are you going to be flying a 190 if there are 8000-9000 pilots below you?

The APA is going to agree to DOH right?

 

[cleardirect]

Greeter you guys had the recall going on the CLT guys. Boy, did you get your clocks cleaned on that one. Come on, you are not fooling anyone on here. We all know who you guys are just like you know who we are. Tell Bradford your good buddy he is a real disappointment.

Hate

Hey!!!

Finally. It only took you 5 years to figure out that Bradford and usapa is a disappointment. It might be time to go back to the desert videos and listen to the comment from the west pilots. We told you all this experiment was going to be a failure.

You really have no one to blame but yourselves. You blamed ALPA but they have nothing to do with this now. You followed Bradford the first time believing that a contract and DOH was just 90 days away. Then you believed that Cleary would deliver the promise. Then after Bradford failed the first time you voted to give him another chance.

I know lets complete the circle of failure and recall Hummel and reelect Cleary with McKee and Vice President. That should fix the problem.

 

[cleardirect]

A320,
Roland and Pat are not professional negotiators. They are RLA experts. Remember back when you guys were trashing Cleary all hours of the day? Streble and the compass boys were telling everyone the union was going broke. Surely you remember. We had 4.2 million in the bank. Roland was brought in here for the Phoenix (Silver) court room drama. He was never really meant to be professional negotiator. I am sure we will need his expertise for a long time.

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You might want to inform Wilder that he is not a professional negotiator. Because that is what he was hired by Cleary and McKee to do. Btw way wilder was not in the PHX courtroom. That was the other guy with the wild hair.

I would think you you are going to argue you might have your facts straight before you start.

 

[Freighterguynow]

2 am and on the web?
Hope the aol checks cash.