Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

Will someone explain the total minimum blocks hrs?

If you would care for a fairly good quality laugh....just ask any number of different people to specifically define the exact parameters and "protections" contained within the phrase "scheduled to be flown".

Good luck to all concerned. I sincerely hope my gross misgivings prove unfounded.

 

[Pi brat]

No not mad. Just not going to let slide ignorant and untrue statements like jonhny kat made.

East pilots make all kinds of demeaning statements towards the west and then get upset when we return fire. Grow thicker skin or stop the attacks. But I am not going to accept statements like the west is inexperienced without reply.

Nothing I said was untrue. Unlike kats comment.

I haven't attacked, I've returned fire.

I understand why you would take offense with that and I have no issue with you taking up for your group. I wish we would all stop that sort of thing.

From your history when you make comments about "not killing pax" I take that as a slap at the east. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, just proud of your history, but with you increasingly angry posts it makes me wonder.

 

[Beancounter]

So what? The 40 or so furloughs have been offered recall and turned it down repeatedly. I talked to a West guy that told me most if not all had moved on to greener pastures. Why should we continue to fund their medical insurance?

I was furloughed a little under a year and usapa never paid a cent of my medical. Meanwhile friends who were furloughed at Alaska had full coverage from alpa.

Bean

 

[dca319]

The Nic is now officially dead. Or, it will be if the BODs vote for this merger. Just reread paragraph 4 of the MOU. Dead! Gone! If your AOL guys told you something else, they really are as stupid as I thought!

The Merger Committee Chairman told you last week how this was going to go down.

If it was that simple Bill then why didn't USAPA do that? They could've simply added that kind of paragraph in contract negotiations and the Nicolau wouldn't have been an issue.

 

[EastUS1]

cleardirect:....and then get upset when we return fire.

I haven't attacked, I've returned fire.

This place is gettin' Waaay too violent, and just plain unsafe! Next thing ya' know...somebody's gonna' be flourishing a "Dire Wolf" T-shirt around...and things could get REALLY ugly! 😉 Oh well....likely best just to leave you fightin' men to hash all this out.

 

[EastUS1]

From your history when you make comments about "not killing pax" I take that as a slap at the east.

"at the east"? = No sir. It was more just a slap at sanity itself.

 

[Pi brat]

cleardirect:....and then get upset when we return fire.



This place is gettin' Waaay too violent, and just plain unsafe! Next thing ya' know...somebody's gonna' be flourishing a "Dire Wolf" T-shirt around...and things could get REALLY ugly! 😉 Oh well....likely best just to leave you fightin' men to hash all this out.

Have a fine evening All. 🙂

You're not kidding. One of the usual subject said the other day that USAPA was actually the Nazi Party.

 

[EastUS1]

You're not kidding. One of the usual subject said the other day that USAPA was actually the Nazi Party.

Gasp!...And you dare doubt the validity of such infantile nonsense? Just whom do you pretend to be Pi?...Neither you nor myself even have the proper collection of westie T-shirts with which to "reasonably" contest such "rational" and "adult" accusations! 😉

On the MOU issue?...I'm not at all kidding in wishing all the very best there.....I simply can NOT surrender my earnest reservations. I very much hope to be proved entirely wrong in those, but history and human nature instruct me otherwise. No matter. Heck....Everyone called it as they saw it, so let's all hope for the best here.

I'd earlier removed this, given that my tendancy to ramble on required additional posts, but again: Have a fine evening All. 🙂

 

[Res Judicata]

The Nic is now officially dead. Or, it will be if the BODs vote for this merger. Just reread paragraph 4 of the MOU. Dead! Gone! If your AOL guys told you something else, they really are as stupid as I thought!

The Merger Committee Chairman told you last week how this was going to go down.

Better inform Silver that she's wrong. No dangerous ground here. HA!

 

[Black Swan]

It actually looks to me that since the totoal min block hours is combined East and west, the company will be free to downsize PHX as they see fit. We know they want to.

The training dept rumor is 49 E 195 s to be announced soon. 118 seats, and pay 114 an hr. Nice.
You are only beginning to see what they have in the playbook now that the MOU got voted in.

 

[EastUS1]

The training dept rumor is 49 E 195 s to be announced soon. 115 seats, and pay 114 an hr. Nice.
You are only beginning to see what they have in the playbook now that the MOU got voted in.

I DO hope these people can "take a joke" on that and any/all other, COMPLETELY open-ended issues now. Just for one "protection"issue, for example = "scheduled to be flown"..?...And ANYONE actually ACCEPTED such nonsensical "language"?

Not for my purely selfish interests, for which, well..frankly, none of this much at all matters, but: puhleeeaze let me be proved wrong in any/all concerns here. From a purely personal vantage point?...I'm almost tempted to loudly shout.."Just HOW completely STUPID can supposedly "Professional", even pig sloppers, much less supposed "PILOTS" really BE!?...But again..Sigh!..I DO honestly hope I'm wrong here.

Oh well...I should have just stuck with a good evening to All. 😉 May it work out well for all concerned..seriously, and good luck to everyone.

 

[Black Swan]

The NAC stated the west number was larger then current hours. Take it up with them.

It has been 6 years since the west has IOU's for 1/3 of the 190's. The company so far has refused to move 190's to the west and pay off those IOU's. Why now pray tell would the company now place 190's on the west?

Why wouldn't they now? They could move anything anywhere now. The 195 order that is supposedly coming will bring 118 seats at $114 an hr capt rate. How are you going to feel with that being the first captain jet you upgrade to? At that pay?
Apparently the American guys are in a full court press for counting furlough time as active to prevent them from being hurt in this merger. I would imagine USAPA would be for it also in return for same in the merger talks. All rumors, but who knows.

 

[Black Swan]

In the mean time you think we will live with a DOH list or just separate ops for the next 16 years?

No need for court if the arbitrator or APA (to avoid liability) decides to use the Nicolau instead of 2 lists or an invented DOH usapa list.

The "no need for court" argument is about the lamest one you have floated yet. Kind of like "give me your wallet, and nobody gets hurt."

The Nicolau appears to be a non starter with the American guys. They are rumored to be all out maneuvering to protect their furloughed in a potential merger.

 

[Black Swan]

You fly 24% of your block hours on East routes but just voted to give up your minimum block hours protection in the old an now defunct TA .

Voted overwhelmingly I might add.

You have some more immediate concerns than your AOL Hail Mary .

I still laugh that you were stupid enough to name your selves and a group that not only lost that battle. - they were wiped out of existence. Exterminated.

Golly, history really does repeat itself.

CLASSIC!

 

[EastUS1]

cleardirect: Why now pray tell would the company now place 190's on the west?

Why wouldn't they now? They could move anything anywhere now.

Indeed. It passes all tests of reasonable credulity that anyone (or even thing) could actually be that hopelessly stupid and yet walk upright.

"We-yall, Dang-it-all Zeke!..All we done did was just done handed them tha' whole farm!...Why wud ya' thank they'll ever wanna' plow it!?" 🙂 They's nuthin' but the finest a' nice people. Wha's wrong with ya' ta' even thank that way? 😉 No matta' Zeke...Massa' say 'dat I'se gonna' gits me tha' nic an' even forty acres an' a mule!...'cuzz I'se and we'se gots us sum a' 'dat unity 'dat's gwines ta' make all 'da difference!...and braims...did I'se menchun da' whole lotta' buckets full of braims we'se all gots us? Jess' axe us...we'se smurt, we'se really izz! Yo! Spartans! 🙂

"Stupid is as stupid does".