Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cactusboy53]

PHX pilots were USAPA, were they not?

Blah, blah, blah. Hey why don't you bring up some ancient piece of news (again)?

 

[Claxon]

Blah, blah, blah. Hey why don't you bring up some ancient piece of news (again)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zeTiQ17NIo

 

[cleardirect]

Clear? You are a PHX USAPA pilot, correct? USAPA was accused of what? You were not accused of the same? Here fishy, fishy.

Are you just faking ignorance or are you really ignorant?

You have at your fingertips all kinds of old updates and ALPA writings yet you don’t know what the company filed against usapa?

No the west pilots were not accused of an illegal job action. In fact the west pilots statistics were used to demonstrate that we were not participating in any activity. That was all your buddies from the east. You would not have had anything to do with that now would you. Since you are not a pilot for US Airways as you have told us.

 

[traderjake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6EsoWpTO2qg

 

[EastUS1]

No the west pilots were not accused of an illegal job action. In fact the west pilots statistics were used to demonstrate that we were not participating in any activity.

DO make sure to mention that proud point to the APA people. I've no doubt they'll even more eagerly embrace you with warm fellowship for it.

 

[Res Judicata]

DO make sure to mention that proud point to the APA people. I've no doubt they'll even more eagerly embrace you with warm fellowship for it.

Oh yes, as long as you mention why you formed a fake union to illegally gain that which you never EARNED or were ever entitled to...you know...like SCABS? Perhaps the APA would understand the WEST'S refusal to join an illegal job action where the only target of such action was THE WEST themselves. Please...DO try to keep up Thurston. Just because you and your group are CLEARY the dumbest most ham handed pack of fumbling simpletons hardly means anybody else is. You make sense in only your small, scab ridden hillbilly, white trash "pixburgh 4evr" world.

Should have stayed waiting tables at wings suds' n 'spuds, then perhaps usairways would have actually benefitted your career earnings.

 

[EastUS1]

Perhaps the APA would understand the WEST'S refusal to join an illegal job action .....

"Perhaps"

 

[cleardirect]

DO make sure to mention that proud point to the APA people. I've no doubt they'll even more eagerly embrace you with warm fellowship for it.

I am sure they will as I mentioned it was an ILLEGAL job action. Stipulated to by usapa.

The APA being a responsible union lead by responsible adults would not have condoned the ILLEGAL work action and put an end to it instead of encourage it and provide the yellow rallying cry of "I'm on board". What did that doomed to failure from the beginning stunt cost the membership in dues for legal costs? What was the purpose of the stunt? What did it accomplish other than an injunction?

Please make sure you tell the APA you were in full agreement and participated in that little childish stunt. Observe how they embrace you to their union.

 

[EastUS1]

The APA being a responsible union lead by responsible adults would not have condoned the ILLEGAL work action .....


Please make sure you tell the APA you were in full agreement and participated in that little childish stunt. Observe how they embrace you to their union.

Yep kid; you've got the whole "Union" thing completely figured out! Those APA people would NEVER even consider what you call a "childish stunt", would they? 😉 You had best get there ASAP and begin instructing them on how things are supposed to be done "by responsible adults"! I've not the slightest doubt that they'll be most impressed indeed.

http://www.thefreeli... APA-a014701023

http://articles.cnn....ly?_s=PM:TRAVEL

http://search.cjonli...TS ASSOCIATION"

 

[end_of_alpa]

I am sure they will as I mentioned it was an ILLEGAL job action. Stipulated to by usapa.

The APA being a responsible union lead by responsible adults would not have condoned the ILLEGAL work action and put an end to it instead of encourage it and provide the yellow rallying cry of "I'm on board". What did that doomed to failure from the beginning stunt cost the membership in dues for legal costs? What was the purpose of the stunt? What did it accomplish other than an injunction?

Please make sure you tell the APA you were in full agreement and participated in that little childish stunt. Observe how they embrace you to their union.

Spoken with a true West pilots ignorance of history. Oh, that's right, you guys don't like history. Like APA sickout. http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/04/aa-a17.html

"In one of the largest fines ever levied against an American trade union, US District Judge Elton "Joe" Kendall Thursday ordered the Allied Pilots Association (APA) to pay $45.5 million in damages to American Airlines for last February's sick-out by AA pilots. The massive fine--$7 million more than the APA's net worth of $38 million--is designed to effectively destroy the union representing 9,200 pilots at American Airlines."

APA also got us McCaskill-Bond. The East pilots brought two thirds of the flying and all the value of international flying but YOU want to steam roll us into your entitlement.

Doug Parker wouldn't be the CEO of the "New American" if it weren't for us. In fact, he has told you all several times that without a merger the BEST you all would have done without us was a "Frontier" like situation. It's really strange how APA think Doug is their savior yet the West simply despises ANYTHING that gets in their way of total world domination.

Spartans, heros, Internet teash talk, etc. if I were a West pilot I'd be ashamed to show my face in public because of that.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd approve of someone taking part in an illegal job action for the right reasons before I would someone on the industry official scab list. There are no East pilots on that list, only west.

You guys using that word don't even know what it means.

 

[nic4us]

Nic,

That is simply not logical thinking.

The MOU is not the vehicle to a career financial expectation status equal with the AA pilots, it is strictly and wholly a product of the proposed merger with AA. Notice the little blurb about the MOU is null and void unless the UCC, AMR and LCC BOD's approve the merger?

How can you logically argue in a SLI arbitration that you are on equal financial status with the AA pilots when absent the MOU (and the merger) you would not be.

Because absent the MOU and the merger we would not even be in SLI.

Yes, the MOU is only effective if the merger happens, but if it does, then the LCC pilots are on the MOU rates and benefits.

If you are saying that the APA would argue that the only reason the LCC pilots are here and on those rates is because of the merger, well that would be a true statement. The simple response to that would be, of course that holds true for the APA as well.

 

[cleardirect]

Spoken with a true West pilots ignorance of history. Oh, that's right, you guys don't like history. Like APA sickout. http://www.wsws.org/.../04/aa-a17.html

"In one of the largest fines ever levied against an American trade union, US District Judge Elton "Joe" Kendall Thursday ordered the Allied Pilots Association (APA) to pay $45.5 million in damages to American Airlines for last February's sick-out by AA pilots. The massive fine--$7 million more than the APA's net worth of $38 million--is designed to effectively destroy the union representing 9,200 pilots at American Airlines."

APA also got us McCaskill-Bond. The East pilots brought two thirds of the flying and all the value of international flying but YOU want to steam roll us into your entitlement.

Doug Parker wouldn't be the CEO of the "New American" if it weren't for us. In fact, he has told you all several times that without a merger the BEST you all would have done without us was a "Frontier" like situation. It's really strange how APA think Doug is their savior yet the West simply despises ANYTHING that gets in their way of total world domination.

Spartans, heros, Internet teash talk, etc. if I were a West pilot I'd be ashamed to show my face in public because of that.

Yet you are an east pilot with no sense of how much your poor reputation precedes you. It is east pilots that should be ashamed to show your face in public. How about demanding the 777 manuals from the APA like you guys did with UAL. That always inproves ones reputation.

Since you remember history so well the reason for the injunction was because the APA was fighting FOR equal pay for the Reno pilots. I missed it what was the reason for usapa's illegal work action?

Fighting AGAINST west pilots, AGAINST arbitration results, AGAINST equal treatment and benefits of a merger.

Yep quite a reputation you east pilots have.

 

[nic4us]

Spoken with a true West pilots ignorance of history. Oh, that's right, you guys don't like history.

APA also got us McCaskill-Bond. The East pilots brought two thirds of the flying and all the value of international flying but YOU want to steam roll us into your entitlement.

Doug Parker wouldn't be the CEO of the "New American" if it weren't for us. In fact, he has told you all several times that without a merger the BEST you all would have done without us was a "Frontier" like situation. It's really strange how APA think Doug is their savior yet the West simply despises ANYTHING that gets in their way of total world domination.

Spartans, heros, Internet teash talk, etc. if I were a West pilot I'd be ashamed to show my face in public because of that.

First, we West pilots love history, but hate when idiots such as yourself try to rewrite it!

Clear obviously got it wrong about illegal job actions, and you got it wrong about McCaskill/Bond. It was not the APA and the pilots, but the treatment of the TWA flight attendants that brought about MB.

second, you are also rewriting history in your "you want to steamroll us in YOUR entitlement" comment. What transpired was a final and binding arbitration proceeding that rendered a fair and equitable outcome. The West is not steamrolling anybody. Uscaba on the other hand was founded to scab jobs that are not theirs to have...are you not a founding member? Tell us all why you founded uscaba!!! Remember, I got hours of video evidence saying to renege on the Nic, and a letter from a lawyer Bradford sought, who downright told him it was illegal!!!

Third, Parker has downright told you on several occasions that absent the merger liquidation and the loss of your job were a certainty. BTW, he told the West numerous times before the merger the same thing, and that by BUYING USairways, AWA was saving some 30,000 jobs.

Finally,I am by no means afraid to show my face and my West allegiance in public. As a matter of fact, I cannot tell you how many times OAL pilots have voiced their support. Not just the occasional jump seat rider, but pilots of influence, MEC chairmen, CAPA board members, pilot union reps, have all told me they despise what uscaba has done, not to back down, and bring the fight to you a-holes.

 

[end_of_alpa]

First, we West pilots love history, but hate when idiots such as yourself try to rewrite it!

Clear obviously got it wrong about illegal job actions, and you got it wrong about McCaskill/Bond. It was not the APA and the pilots, but the treatment of the TWA flight attendants that brought about MB.

second, you are also rewriting history in your "you want to steamroll us in YOUR entitlement" comment. What transpired was a final and binding arbitration proceeding that rendered a fair and equitable outcome. The West is not steamrolling anybody. Uscaba on the other hand was founded to scab jobs that are not theirs to have...are you not a founding member? Tell us all why you founded uscaba!!! Remember, I got hours of video evidence saying to renege on the Nic, and a letter from a lawyer Bradford sought, who downright told him it was illegal!!!

Third, Parker has downright told you on several occasions that absent the merger liquidation and the loss of your job were a certainty. BTW, he told the West numerous times before the merger the same thing, and that by BUYING USairways, AWA was saving some 30,000 jobs.

Finally,I am by no means afraid to show my face and my West allegiance in public. As a matter of fact, I cannot tell you how many times OAL pilots have voiced their support. Not just the occasional jump seat rider, but pilots of influence, MEC chairmen, CAPA board members, pilot union reps, have all told me they despise what uscaba has done, not to back down, and bring the fight to you a-holes.

The Flight Attendants were truly the tip of the spear in relation to M/B amendment. But the pilots also played a part in it as well, even though it was led by ALPA who for whatever reason went on their own.

As far as OAL pilots hating US, I've got as many as you do the say WE got screwed. So there.

AOL stands for WHAT? Army, al right. Army of LOSERS!

Parker told YOU that West employees would be in the same boat in a VERY short amount of time....but oh, don't believe HIM!