Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Bill Brasky]

The Flight Attendants were truly the tip of the spear in relation to M/B amendment. But the pilots also played a part in it as well, even though it was led by ALPA who for whatever reason went on their own.


AOL stands for WHAT? Army, al right. Army of LOSERS!

Rule #1: if you call yourselves an Army, name it after someone that won the battle.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Yet you are an east pilot with no sense of how much your poor reputation precedes you. It is east pilots that should be ashamed to show your face in public. How about demanding the 777 manuals from the APA like you guys did with UAL. That always inproves ones reputation.

Since you remember history so well the reason for the injunction was because the APA was fighting FOR equal pay for the Reno pilots. I missed it what was the reason for usapa's illegal work action?

Fighting AGAINST west pilots, AGAINST arbitration results, AGAINST equal treatment and benefits of a merger.

Yep quite a reputation you east pilots have.

I didn't ask for manuals and I know of NO ONE who did. You may want to discuss this with CM, or he who shall not be named. The guy that can predict mergers and financial outcomes with 100% certainty.

As far as fighting FOR equal pay, the same cannot be said of YOU AND YOURS!

As far as reputation, the pilots I run into from other airlines disagree with YOU and think otherwise.

There. Scientific data from ME to controvert YOUR scientific data.

You can keep up your name calling, now.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Rule #1: if you call yourselves an Army, name it after someone that won the battle.

Not a truer statement can be made!

 

[cactusboy53]

DO make sure to mention that proud point to the APA people. I've no doubt they'll even more eagerly embrace you with warm fellowship for it.

What? That you guys are largely a bunch arrogant ice-holes, and that we weren't "down" with your little yellow lanyard safety campaign to try and get your DOH land-grab? Oh, APA knows all too well what they are dealing with. Maroon.

 

[traderjake]

I didn't ask for manuals and I know of NO ONE who did.

You're right, it was during the Delta merger attempt.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Rule #1: if you call yourselves an Army, name it after someone that won the battle.

I'm waiting to see what they call themselves after this merger, probably something like "Pickett's Chargers", or "the Light Brigade".

 

[nevergiveup]

What? That you guys are largely a bunch arrogant ice-holes, and that we weren't "down" with your little yellow lanyard safety campaign to try and get your DOH land-grab? Oh, APA knows all too well what they are dealing with. Maroon.

Wouldn't it be a shame if you had to wait in line like everybody else! Nic4us would probably pass out!

 

[Bill Brasky]

...Finally,I am by no means afraid to show my face and my West allegiance in public. As a matter of fact, I cannot tell you how many times OAL pilots have voiced their support. Not just the occasional jump seat rider, but pilots of influence, MEC chairmen, CAPA board members, pilot union reps, have all told me they despise what uscaba has done, not to back down, and bring the fight to you a-holes.

You should be. Those folks are just being nice. If you don't realize that you shouldn't discuss this with pilots of other carriers, you're stupider than I thought. I'm sure a lot of eye rolling is going on on your jumpseat. I'd also bet it's a one sided conversation.

 

[foreright]

Oh look... another east bid is out! look at all those 330 positions... i wonder how much i will move up this time around?

 

[cleardirect]

The Flight Attendants were truly the tip of the spear in relation to M/B amendment. But the pilots also played a part in it as well, even though it was led by ALPA who for whatever reason went on their own.

As far as OAL pilots hating US, I've got as many as you do the say WE got screwed. So there.

AOL stands for WHAT? Army, al right. Army of LOSERS!

Parker told YOU that West employees would be in the same boat in a VERY short amount of time....but oh, don't believe HIM!

Parker told the west prior to the merger that we were fine stand alone and that we did not need a merger to survive.

Parker did not start saying the west would have been in trouble until the west started calling Parker out on his unequal treatment AFTER the merger.

But after 8 years we are back to the same argument. An argument that was settled by Nicolau. The arbitrator looked at all the EVIDENCE and decided how to integrate the list. Kick, scream, yell, cry all you want. He did not buy your argument and nothing has changed the fact the Nicolau list is still a valid and company accepted list.

 

[Portly Dorman]

Funny how I just heard a comment from a silver haired C/O talking to a silver haired FA on the crew bus, "the AA folks need to understand that we aren't the ones in bankruptcy, they are."

So the former AWA pilots aren't worthy of the comment yet the old UAir folks are? Who's bringing 2/3 of the flying to the party now?

Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance.

You joining the union again Jamie now that the McCleario music makers are in power?

APA also got us McCaskill-Bond. The East pilots brought two thirds of the flying and all the value of international flying but YOU want to steam roll us into your entitlement.

Doug Parker wouldn't be the CEO of the "New American" if it weren't for us. In fact, he has told you all several times that without a merger the BEST you all would have done without us was a "Frontier" like situation. It's really strange how APA think Doug is their savior yet the West simply despises ANYTHING that gets in their way of total world domination.

Spartans, heros, Internet teash talk, etc. if I were a West pilot I'd be ashamed to show my face in public because of that.

 

[cleardirect]

Wouldn't it be a shame if you had to wait in line like everybody else! Nic4us would probably pass out!

You mean like the east furloughed pilots have to wait in line to get their job back as it comes back instead of jumping striaght into a west captain slot?

 

[nic4us]

As far as OAL pilots hating US, I've got as many as you do the say WE got screwed. So there.

AOL stands for WHAT? Army, al right. Army of LOSERS!

Parker told YOU that West employees would be in the same boat in a VERY short amount of time....but oh, don't believe HIM!

I did not say OAL pilots hate you. I said the ones I run into despise what usapa is trying to do.

In every merger one side always claims they got screwed, this time it was the east pilots. So the industry recognizes that you claim you got screwed, so what? That has nothing to do with your behavior following your invalid claim.

You did fail to answer my questions. Were you a usapa founder, and if so, why was usapa founded?


As to Parker's comments on the state of a non-merged AWA, I believe what he said holds weight, but, what he said is not that AWA would have been in USAirways predicament.

 

[Bill Brasky]

You mean like the east furloughed pilots have to wait in line to get their job back as it comes back instead of jumping striaght into a west captain slot?

That wasn't possible under any circumstance. The company said that no proposal was acceptible unless it contained a "no bump, no flush" provision. It was in BOTH proposals. Just keep making stuff up to suit your needs. Just because a guy was furloughed doesn't mean he shouldn't get credit for his service to the company. Go ask YOUR furloughees what they think.

All East furloughees came back to East flying, either as an East pilot, or as a west pilot flying East routes.

I'll bet the APA will feel the same as I do about their furloughees. Just wait and see.

 

[nic4us]

You should be. Those folks are just being nice. If you don't realize that you shouldn't discuss this with pilots of other carriers, you're stupider than I thought. I'm sure a lot of eye rolling is going on on your jumpseat. I'd also bet it's a one sided conversation.

I never bring up the topic. No need, cause the bottom line is the Nic is the system seniority list at LCC, and usapa is a failure.