Dismissing the APFA?
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OneShotService
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Because the APFA already is our union, you have to get 50% plus 1 of the membership to sign and agree to the de-certification. You also might want to call another union and see if they will card the APFA membership, as well.
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That's certainly an option, but there aren't a lot of options for representation, and sometimes the devil you know is the better of two bad choices....
IBT seems to have done OK, but CWA-AFA doesn't exactly have the greatest track record if you look at what happened with NWA and UAL.
IBT seems to have done OK, but CWA-AFA doesn't exactly have the greatest track record if you look at what happened with NWA and UAL.
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Good Luck getting 9000+ to sign for decertification. Your voting turnout is pathetic.
I think the game's over. There will be much less support for a strike than in '93 (or '92, or whatever) and APFA will fail.
Maybe then you can start collecting signatures.
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While I certainly agree with eolesen's comment, I just wanted to flesh out the "decertification" process under the RLA...
In short, there is no decertification process under current NMB rules. You can't just get 50%+1 to sign a statement saying "We don't want a union" and poof - the union is gone. The only thing that can be done is to seek to change unions by having the NMB call for a election to determine which of two or more unions will represent the employee group. If less than 50%+1 of eligible voters vote, the group is then non-union.
So the steps are:
1 - Form a new union or get another union to conduct a card drive
2 - Get authorization cards from at least 50%+1 of the eligible employees (which includes those on leave, furlough, out on medical, etc).
3 - Submit a request to the NMB for an investigation of a representational dispute
4 - Have an election
5 - Have less than 50%+1 of the eligible employees vote
NOTE - the NMB has proposed a change in #5 making the winner the union that gets the most votes no matter how few vote.
Jim
May I ask what your reason is for wanting to get a new union on the property ?. AFA did try to do a card drive in the late 90's and it didn't get far.
Ed, where are you based and who is passing around the petition? I've seen petitions around LGA to remove the chair but not the board of directors or change of union. I'd be interested. I personally don't have an issue with my Chair. He has always been on top of things and responds promptly to my emails/phone calls. I have a problem with the lack of representation of junior fas or fairness towards us by the powers at be.
For those that are interested in removing the APFA; Your energy would be
more well spend by getting "involve" instead of trying to destroy it.
Why not run for base chair, union rep or union president if you have
a specific agenda. Run on a specific platform and see what kind of support
you get instead of blaming the unions for everything that you are
not satisfy with.
I am not saying that the APFA is perfect but it is what we
have lets work together to make it a stronger union instead of having
this constant fight of senior vs junior.
We should not be fighting with each other.
AA must love it to hear about this cat fight between us.
Lets direct our energy in the right direction.
Lets have a common strategy and that should be to get
a contract ASAP.
more well spend by getting "involve" instead of trying to destroy it.
Why not run for base chair, union rep or union president if you have
a specific agenda. Run on a specific platform and see what kind of support
you get instead of blaming the unions for everything that you are
not satisfy with.
I am not saying that the APFA is perfect but it is what we
have lets work together to make it a stronger union instead of having
this constant fight of senior vs junior.
We should not be fighting with each other.
AA must love it to hear about this cat fight between us.
Lets direct our energy in the right direction.
Lets have a common strategy and that should be to get
a contract ASAP.
No petitions stated yet, but I am trying to get the correct info on how this process begins first. In fact, I thank all of the posters on here for there information on how this can get done. I have had many colleagus wishing they didn't have to pay a union who obviously cares nothing for them except wanting their money, which contractally they are forced to pay the APFA, whether they get representation ,or not from this "so called" union. At some point fairness needs to play in this overall equation... I am not sure a new union on the property is the answer, but I an not sure No union on the property could be the answer..In my personal dealings with AA Management they have been more than fair and understanding. I think the APFA creates more havoc and problems for themselves, then having a solution for the entire workforce. Since we are in an era of " Change " perhaps change needs to take place ALL Over the system including leaders at these unions. Let's face it the leaders of the APFA are nothing more than members of an elite Country Club in Euless, TX....The Time Is For a Change!
I agree with you whole heartedly, There is an enormous amount of energy spent on complaining than gretting involved, staying informed or coming up with solutions. SR VS JR is subjective, and funny thing at my base where I've worked with some of the most JR F/A's and there biggest thing is not seeing the end of RSV, and until we expand, call back and hire it may this way for a while, some don't like paying so much for dues, and for those who don't want to pay, who is going to pay, nothing is free. My base chair is fully aware and feels for the most Jr plight, he speaks with them everyday.
For being an indpendant union we do not share any of our dues with any other union, as we did before with AE, I can't recall the exact amout of each AA APFA F/A went towards AE, we helped support them, for several years AE has been paart of AFA. The one thing APFA being indepent is we don't have finacial assitance from another mother union.
We must stay unified, informed to acomplish a deserved contract.
This thread is about decertifying the APFA. It is NOT about the philosophy and legal ramifications of union certification in general. It is also not about the TWU.
The OP asked a specific question. If you can not address that question, leave it alone.
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The OP asked a specific question. If you can not address that question, leave it alone.
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Edward
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Folks we've just removed a post & gave out a suspension for moderator challenge. If you have a problem with a moderator or question take it to pm. Going public gets you time off EVERY TIME.
