DL requests authority to begin LAX-PVG service

[WorldTraveler]

You do realize when a tool or part is lent out for use, the only way anyone in accounting knows if the paperwork is filled out at the outstation signed and then sent it.
 
No paperwork, no bill.
 
Pretty simple concept.
 
You didn work in maintenance or stores, there is a real world outside of your former cubicle you worked in.
 
Did you take your cubicle home and set it up so you can pretend you are on the pulse of DL's Heartbeat?

 
 

What a damn fool he is. Here is yet another instance where the know it all has no clue.

I can't count the number of times we helped out other airlines in the many different locations I have worked. Hangar space, lifts, tugs, ladders, compressors, jacks, etc., were all shared by us and others when we had AOG aircraft. No paperwork ever signed, no invoices, no accounting, nothing, nada. It was the same when I was at their stations on road trips.

The only time that didn't happen was when it was a scab outfit or an outsource vendor that came crawling.

 
 

I have mother f**king done it before. What part of that do you not understand? 
 
I know for a fact that I have had managers loan stuff out and didn't report it, didn't do anything. I know for a fact I have used OAL tooling and nothing said to higher management. 
 
Again, you worked in a office. You know nothing about how it works in the field. nothing.

why do you think you were supposed to report it?

because the company intends to bill the using airline for it.

perhaps there was a DL employee who loaned US equipment for free that was intended to be charged to them, but I would hardly call what you 3 have all posted here as evidence of the way the system works.

you have all validated that when company procedures are circumvented, the company doesn't get the revenue it is supposed to get.

I don't need to snitch on anyone. this is the internet and open for all to read.

what class at Georgia taught you to run business that way, dawg?

 

[robbedagain]

similarily DL has used our airstairs FREE OF CHARGE  as has UA and even AMC (Air Mobility Command)  not to mention they've all used various ground equipment of ours from time to time FREE OF CHARGE

 

[topDawg]

Now he is going to call accounts payable and snitch on all of you!

not worried about it. Its not up to me as far a loaning tools out most of the time. Lead and foreman (of course I know for a fact every time I have seen it happen no one got charged.)
 

 
 
 
 

why do you think you were supposed to report it?

because the company intends to bill the using airline for it.

perhaps there was a DL employee who loaned US equipment for free that was intended to be charged to them, but I would hardly call what you 3 have all posted here as evidence of the way the system works.

you have all validated that when company procedures are circumvented, the company doesn't get the revenue it is supposed to get.

I don't need to snitch on anyone. this is the internet and open for all to read.

what class at Georgia taught you to run business that way, dawg?

report what? What are you talking about? 
 
Its called the not being a big douche bag class. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

and the intent is for all of that to be CHARGED

if local mgmt. regardless of the company or dept. does not follow procedures for the use and loaning of company equipment, that is precisely the kind of stuff that gets people demoted.

All of those companies invested in equipment because they expect to keep their fleet operating. If they loan it to someone else who didn't bother to make that investment in their city or to maintain their fleet as well as that carrier did, they expect to be compensated.

to do anything else is to break company procedure.

DL doesn't expect AA to loan tools or anything at JFK if DL needs to do work at or in front of AA's hangar.

It is AA's benefit and DL's cost that AA has a hangar and DL doesn't.

now that we have confirmed how widespread breaking of company procedures is - whether it be AA/US or DL, I'm waiting for someone to tell me how cooperative AA, DL, and UA will be in sharing revenue between LAX and PVG.

 

[topDawg]

and the intent is for all of that to be CHARGED

if local mgmt. regardless of the company or dept. does not follow procedures for the use and loaning of company equipment, that is precisely the kind of stuff that gets people demoted.

All of those companies invested in equipment because they expect to keep their fleet operating. If they loan it to someone else who didn't bother to make that investment in their city or to maintain their fleet as well as that carrier did, they expect to be compensated.

to do anything else is to break company procedure.

DL doesn't expect AA to loan tools or anything at JFK if DL needs to do work at or in front of AA's hangar.

It is AA's benefit and DL's cost that AA has a hangar and DL doesn't.

now that we have confirmed how widespread breaking of company procedures is - whether it be AA/US or DL, I'm waiting for someone to tell me how cooperative AA, DL, and UA will be in sharing revenue between LAX and PVG.

*rolls eyes* Lol okay. 
 
stay in the office. 

 

[Kev3188]

One thing, when it comes to that kind of stuff the competition thing goes out the window. We help each other on the MX side. I have been on plenty of field trips where most of the support, tooling sometimes even man power and support comes from airlines like AA, US, UA, UPS, FX etc.

+1000

Same on the ACS side.
 
 

So now you are back to telling me what I know and do not know. 
 
Hey WT how many engine changes have you done if your life? How many times have you maintenance field trips have you taken?
 
You need to stop telling people like me kev and 700 things we have done.

I'm not sure that's possible...
 
 

What a damn fool he is. Here is yet another instance where the know it all has no clue.

I can't count the number of times we helped out other airlines in the many different locations I have worked. Hangar space, lifts, tugs, ladders, compressors, jacks, etc., were all shared by us and others when we had AOG aircraft. No paperwork ever signed, no invoices, no accounting, nothing, nada. It was the same when I was at their stations on road trips.

Exactly. Yeah, you might have that guy that shows up with a MAGSA form for something like a GPU, but for the most part we all know that it might be us in need next time.
 
 

I have mother f**king done it before. What part of that do you not understand? 
 
I know for a fact that I have had managers loan stuff out and didn't report it, didn't do anything. I know for a fact I have used OAL tooling and nothing said to higher management. 
 
Again, you worked in a office. You know nothing about how it works in the field. nothing.

Again, +1.
 
 

not worried about it. Its not up to me as far a loaning tools out most of the time. Lead and foreman (of course I know for a fact every time I have seen it happen no one got charged.)
 
report what? What are you talking about? 
 
Its called the not being a big douche bag class.

I wonder which user here skipped that class?

 

[700UW]

When he is proven wrong throw something else to the wall and see what stickso

 

[topDawg]

+1000

Same on the ACS side.
 
 

I'm not sure that's possible...
 
 

Exactly. Yeah, you might have that guy that shows up with a MAGSA form for something like a GPU, but for the most part we all know that it might be us in need next time.
 
 

Again, +1.
 
 

I wonder which user here skipped that class?

I have seen paperwork once.
 
it was for GSE. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

again, whatever happens in the field in practice is not reflective of what company procedure actually is.

you have all demonstrated exactly why you cannot be trusted to do what is in the best interest of the company.

NO AIRLINE invests in facilities and equipment to loan it out to competitors at no charge.

To believe otherwise is the height of stupidity. All of the civics lessons in the world can't change that kind of economic ignorance.

and none of that changes that AA, DL, and UA will aggressively compete for business on LAX-PVG.

And there will be sales people, not frontline employees, who will be evaluated paid based on their ability to move accounts to their own airline and off of the competition.

to not understand those basic principles of the free enterprise system is beyond frightening.... and ample evidence of why the union movement is in such horrid shape.

DL employees have benefitted from the display of ignorance by the union organizers here today.

 

[topDawg]

again, whatever happens in the field in practice is not reflective of what company procedure actually is.

you have all demonstrated exactly why you cannot be trusted to do what is in the best interest of the company.

NO AIRLINE invests in facilities and equipment to loan it out to competitors at no charge.

To believe otherwise is the height of stupidity. All of the civics lessons in the world can't change that kind of economic ignorance.

and none of that changes that AA, DL, and UA will aggressively compete for business on LAX-PVG.

And there will be sales people, not frontline employees, who will be evaluated paid based on their ability to move accounts to their own airline and off of the competition.

to not understand those basic principles of the free enterprise system is beyond frightening.... and ample evidence of why the union movement is in such horrid shape.

DL employees have benefitted from the display of ignorance by the union organizers here today.

in other words. 
 
"I was talking out of my ass, everyone has shown me how dumb I sound now due to more butt hurt I shall call everyone dumb" 
 
typical.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no.

you and 4 of your dumbest and most dishonest friends on here just confirmed that the reason why other airlines don't pay for what they are loaned is because you/they didn't bother to report it appropriately.

Again, if there is no charge, then why do each of those companies have a procedure that has been repeatedly acknowledged is broken?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

*rolls eyes* Lol okay. 
 
stay in the office.

It is that ass hole (WT) that alienates the one person who might be able to get you out of jam. You know, the time you need that lift to save the flight from a maintenance cancellation at an out station. And since you are that guy, the airline with the equipment you need says, "no sale, not now, not to you, not ever, get your own" because you are that douchebag who burned the bridge.

Customer relations 101. Give and take.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no.... you loan the equipment and account for it.

I know the concept is IMPOSSIBLE for you to understand, but it is not only possible but expected to do the right thing AND FOLLOW the rules.

the fact that this discussion has gone the way it is with following the rules being attacked by a bunch of union sympathizers shows EXACTLY what the union movement is made of.

DL people can see that with clarity thanks to this discussion.

 

[Kev3188]

It is that ass hole (WT) that alienates the one person who might be able to get you out of jam. You know, the time you need that lift to save the flight from a maintenance cancellation at an out station. And since you are that guy, the airline with the equipment you need says, "no sale, not now, not to you, not ever, get your own" because you are that douchebag who burned the bridge.

Customer relations 101. Give and take.

Bingo.

I'm not interested in seeing possibly hundreds of our customer's plans tank (and the associated costs incurred to the airline) all because I insisted in charging $2.00 to borrow a towbar...

 

[metopower]

Dawg...Yes I do fly dxb . Have done it with both and the LR makes easy work out of it. As an aside they use the departure out of there as a heavy weight engine failure with the required turns but they always use the ER simulator to make it difficult.