DL requests authority to begin LAX-PVG service

[WorldTraveler]

Bingo.

I'm not interested in seeing possibly hundreds of our customer's plans tank (and the associated costs incurred to the airline) all because I insisted in charging $2.00 to borrow a towbar...

again, no one is telling you to ask for congressional approval while the customers are held on the aircraft.

DO the right thing and document it afterward if necessary.

But you can't expect the company to provide YOU with the right equipment to do your job if you don't document that you have to continually borrow from your competitor.

likewise, if your competitor continually requires to borrow your equipment to run their operation - or to do something as major as an engine change - then they need to pay for the tools they use.

an engine change isn't a matter of just borrowing a screwdriver and a flashlight. If US didn't bring mechanics with the tools necessary to do the job and needed to borrow from DL, they should pay for it.

It is no different from what DL would expect of another airline when DL is the one that needs to borrow.

 

[Hope777]

MAybe thats the way Delta Operates, but thats not the truth in the real world !

 

[WorldTraveler]

perhaps Kevin could tell you what the Rules of the Road has to do say but I can assure you that DL would argue to do the right thing and pay for what you use - and expect others to do the same.

sorry if the concept of personal and corporate responsibility if foreign to you.

 

[700UW]

no.

you and 4 of your dumbest and most dishonest friends on here just confirmed that the reason why other airlines don't pay for what they are loaned is because you/they didn't bother to report it appropriately.

Again, if there is no charge, then why do each of those companies have a procedure that has been repeatedly acknowledged is broken?

Gee I see your at it again, hypocrite.
 
And Management is the one who authorizes this, not the individual employee.
 
You are truly clueless and you are in over your head.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and mgmt. DID NOT authorize loaning equipment without documentation.

you clearly missed that you and others said that is precisely the way such a loan was done without a charge.

the hypocrisy would come from you when I asked why the rampers at US did not help clean the FAs set up the galleys or why mechanics should not help the gate agents with the boarding process.

you'll sure play to the rule book then. I can guarantee it.

 

[700UW]

You are in way over your head.
 
You have never worked maintenance nor have you been a stock clerk.
 
You can post till your face turns blue.
 
You have no clue of what goes on in the real world of airline maintenance and the cooperation of airlines.
 
Give up.

 

[WorldTraveler]

it doesn't take being a stock clerk to figure out that for profit companies do not invest in their assets in order to help out their competitors.

and they don't intend to help each other out for free and it ONLY happens when employees choose not to follow company procedures - which was validated happened by no less than FOUR people here.

the real world you LIVED in - you have been out of the airline industry for many, many years - doesn't exist for profit-motivated companies.

AA doesn't loan what it has invested in at JFK for free. DL doesn't expect to get it for free.

DL hasn't spent billions on tools and equipment at the TOC so a couple mechanics can loan tools at no charge.

dawg might actually get his big engine test cell if DL Tech Ops received the revenues it is supposed to receive.

 

[700UW]

C L U E L E S S
 
Yes airlines do, myself and others have told you over and over and we all hav REAL LIFE Experience, you dont.
 
Mechanics do not loan tools out, that would be Stores.

 

[metopower]

That article about Lee Moak is probably written by Lee Moak. What he did is return to the OLD relationship from before Ron Allen and Leo Mullen. That was restored by Jerry Grienstein and lee Moak . DL pilots have always enjoyed an unique relationship that is different from other airlines. In fact it was DL 's Woolman that asked DL pilots to join ALPA . That was when it was an association for safety and work rules. Hence that is why it is ALPA and not ALPU.

 

[Kev3188]

Safety & work rules are great things. So are things like ASAP programs & pro-stan. I would like to see their return for my workgroup...

 

[eolesen]

ORD still has one

Probably because ORD used to be a base back in the 70's...

 

[N628AU]

WT
 
I spent three years on the AOG desk at US.  While 700 and I rarely see eye to eye on most things here, he is right and you are DEAD wrong.  Not everything is done on paper.  Sometimes it's just a phone call.  Why?  Because you build good relationships knowing you are sometimes going to be the one needing help.  Plenty of tools have been lent, fasteners given away, etc. because the cost of the paperwork and follow-up outweighs the good neighbor benefit.
 
By the way have you admitted you are wrong and said that DL had a maintenance base in Asia, and later claimed no one said it.  You can't keep track of your own BS.

 

[WorldTraveler]

 
 

WT
 
I spent three years on the AOG desk at US.  While 700 and I rarely see eye to eye on most things here, he is right and you are DEAD wrong.  Not everything is done on paper.  Sometimes it's just a phone call.  Why?  Because you build good relationships knowing you are sometimes going to be the one needing help.  Plenty of tools have been lent, fasteners given away, etc. because the cost of the paperwork and follow-up outweighs the good neighbor benefit.
 
By the way have you admitted you are wrong and said that DL had a maintenance base in Asia, and later claimed no one said it.  You can't keep track of your own BS.

no I did not admit I was wrong. you came to that conclusion all by yourself despite the fact that the very webpage which dawg provided used the term base to refer to one facility - ATL.

DL has a maintenance facility at MSP and at NRT.

as for your AOG experiences, I am not denying them. you also did not mention when they happened.

I am telling you that airlines do not invest in maintenance facilities, tooling, and equipment to loan it out to competitors at no charge.

when no less than 4 people have said on here that things were loaned out by NOT filling out the company required paperwork, then there is ample evidence that there are violations of company policy going on.

airlines DO cooperate on maintenance and parts. I have said that myself many times.

They don't do it for free and they don't expect someone else to bail them out for free.

and again it is highly noteworthy that the unionistas that are the most adamant about expecting the company to follow work rules and respecting division of responsibilities between work groups are the ones that advocate such a loosey goosey handling of company materials and equipment.

it is no surprise that the same people who clearly don't understand the economics of running a business expect the company to bend over backwards to meet their every demand and act surprised when the company says it makes no economic sense to do so.

 

[700UW]

You are truly an imbecile. You have been told by someone who worked it and we all say the something yet you say we are all wrong.

It happens all the time.

And DL does not have a maintenance base at NRT they have aine hangar.

Grow up your wrong.

 

[eolesen]

I spent three years on the AOG desk at US.  While 700 and I rarely see eye to eye on most things here, he is right and you are DEAD wrong.  Not everything is done on paper.  Sometimes it's just a phone call.  Why?  Because you build good relationships knowing you are sometimes going to be the one needing help.  Plenty of tools have been lent, fasteners given away, etc. because the cost of the paperwork and follow-up outweighs the good neighbor benefit.

Yep. At the airport curb, the competition pretty much stops.

I've watched ramp crews from another airline give AA their tractor to finish a pushout after AA's Hough died.

I've personally accepted customers from other airlines, DL included, on a phone call and a promise to settle up with FIMs and/or ticket coupons later.

There are probably thousands of other examples, but even then, some people would still never concede the point.