Do You Want To Re- Elect Bush For Presendent!

[Fly]

Too bad it's flawed thinking

 

[RowUnderDCA]

NWA/AMT-

Wow, I'm going to have to print that post. Excellent summary of my feelings. Except I'm more afraid.... really afraid of our departure from the truth with this administration.

Furthermore, some of my most conservative friends are seriously disturbed by this administration. People that could not fathom voting for Kerry are at least NOT going to vote for Bush.

 

[local 12 proud]

Too bad it's flawed thinking

FLY please do expand and enlighten us with this flawed thinking. do you think kerry will prevent the next attack on our country? perhaps you are one of those who think capitulating and massaging the "TERRORIST" will win favor amongst the fanatics. exactly what will it take for the bleeding heart liberals in this country to recognize we are hated for our beliefs and culture, our vast reach globally, our stance to procure freedom for all mankind. they, being the haters of anything that does not adhere to strict and perverted islam wish to destroy US and you think a democrat in the oval office will change this? WE ARE NOT the ones who started this war but WE SHALL FINISH IT.

 

[Fly]

Just answer this question. Why did WE INVADE Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia?

 

[KCFlyer]

Just answer this question. Why did WE INVADE Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia?

Because it's the least that W could do for his daddy.

 

[sentrido]

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Every criticism and distortion you have brought to this forum has been thoroughly debunked.
I bring facts where you bring rhetoric and myth.


That's funny... I was going to say the same thing about all of the distortions, myths, half-truths, etc. that have been presented on the left here that I have thoroughly debunked with facts.

Let me respond to your rants as they concern me. Just so you know where I stand on the issues you have brought up In response to my post. It would be nice though if someday you could get around to actually addressing the point of my post.That I bring facts where you bring rhetoric and myth.

Here are just a handful:


- We are purposely bombing civilians just like Al Qaeda has attacked innocent Americans (and hope to kill us in the 10s of thousands or 100s of thousands).

I have never said this.

- We deserved to be shot at while enforcing the no-fly zone because we were flying in a 'threatening manner'.

I have never said this.

- We are engaged in a 'racist' war.

I have never said this.

- President Bush lied (along with Clinton, Kerry, Prime Minister Blair, the UN, etc) about the WMD and WMD programs of Iraq.

I have never said this. He did mislead:

The president, unimpressed by the presentation of satellite photographs and intercepts,
pressed Tenet and McLaughlin, saying their information would not "convince Joe Public"
and asking Tenet, "This is the best we've got?" Woodward reports.

According to Woodward, Tenet reassured the president that "it's a slam dunk case" that
Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.


Now Tenet's assertion that it was a "slam dunk case"( which is something he doesn't remember saying by the way)
Doesn't change the evidence that Mr. Bush had before him. We didn't really know what Saddam had did we? No. But somehow they still made the case. Trust us, we KNOW HE HAS THEM! Forget Osama! its of to topple Saddam!
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/18/woodward.book/ ://http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLI...woodward.book/ ://http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLI...woodward.book/ ://http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLI...woodward.book/ ://http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLI...woodward.book/

This despite the presence of nerve agent in Iraqi munitions used, albeit likely unknowingly, by terrorists. This was supposed to have been destroyed by Hussein. Just like the illegal (by UN Sanctions) Silkworm missiles acquired by Hussein after UN Resolution 1441 that were modified making them useless for conventional use - ONLY for Chem/Bio/Nerve agent use. Funny how he would acquire such missiles when he didn't have said WMD.

Maybe if Bush gets re-elected, He can put that lonely artillery shell on the podium while giving his acceptance speech. Come back when the Vast Stockpiles of WMD's show up

As for the Silkworm missiles, Id really be interested to see your source. I found Information that they were modified for ground attack use, and some were being modified to increase their range, but nothing indicating their conversion for Chem/Bio/Nerve agent use. I'm not saying it isn't true, I just cant find anything about it. Damn liberal media.

- There is no link between Al Qaeda and Hussein's regime. (see 100 million+ judgement by NY Judge in favor of plaintiffs showing 'Material Support' for Al Qaeda by Hussein's regime, amongs others).

You mean that CIVIL judgment were the JUDGE said he was gonna rule for the plaintiffs even though there was NO EVIDENCE.
Is that the best you can do?

- President Bush (along with Clinton, FDR, Lincoln, Washington, and a littany of others who invoked God's name during conflicts) is engaged in a "Holy War" that is the moral equivalent of Jihad. That followed by comments that I don't know what Jihad is... funny statement considering I have studied said term in Air Command and Staff College, Squadron Officer School, and during seven tours of duty (including combat flight) in the Middle East including Operations Desert Shield, Desert Storm, Southern Watch, Enduring Freedom, and Iraqi Freedom. I find it interesting that someone who hasn't even come close to this experience would lecture me about Jihad.

Well I never said these things about you. Bush does think he is chosen by GOD to be doing what he is doing. Jihad? I'll agree thats a little strong.

 

[NWA/AMT]

Hearing the derogatory rantings directed at George Bush (who, just for the record, was my second choice in '00; I was/am a McCain supporter as I've stated elsewhere) by some of the liberals who can only be accurately described as not only bigots, but idiot bigots at that.

In case you haven't noticed, it's not just the dreaded 'liberals' questioning Bush, unless, like Mr. Hastert of Illinois, you consider John McCain a liberal; or (heretofore) conservative columnist George Will, who has also had the temerity to question the Bush administration war in Iraq.

They're always describing Bush, a Yale/Harvard grad, as an uneducated boob.

His unique take on the english language may have had something to do with that, as well as his apparent pride in his C average while at Yale.

I'll bet Weyerhauser's mouth was watering at the thought of getting at those vast stands of Douglas Fir found throughout Iraq!

Perhaps they were focused more on the sales to be made there. Considering the amount of wood beams required to construct a squad-sized bunker, and the lack of trees you have noted in Iraq, the wood must come from somewhere and I doubt that Weyerhauser donated it.

A high school education and a decent set of vocal cords make her an intellectual and savant.

I beg to differ......I never liked her singing. Too nasal.

Yet there she is, composing policy statements and faxing them to Democratic politicians for their use in developing legislation.

Sounds like she is exercising her rights as a citizen, doesn't it?

I can only hope that they don't use her material, although since she is a big contributor to the Democrats, it's entirely possible.

If Enron gets to help formulate energy policy for their money, why shouldn't Babs?

Or then there are the true patriots, like Sean Penn, (former) Rep David Bonior (D-Mich) and Rep Jim McDermott (D-Wash) who appear in Bagdagh before the war, leading, in effect, a rooting section for Saddam Hussein.

Indeed, the real measure of patriotism could be opposing your country's government when you believe they are wrong, not just agreeing with them when they are right and looking the other way when they're wrong. At no point did I see any of the people you have mentioned side with Saddam, only attempt to draw attention to the fact that the Bush way was not the only way.

How about folks like Hillary who demand to know, re 9/11, what Bush knew and when he knew it?

Accountability only goes with the job when a Democrat is in the White House? I don't blame Bush for 9/11, but unlike the neocons I don't try to blame Clinton either. I do know, however, that for eight months leading up to the attack Bush had access to the greatest intelligence apparatus in the world and I don't think it's out of line to ask what it was telling him.

Maybe her vast right-wing conspiracy, the same one which planted her loving hubby's pecker in Monica's mouth, put something in her food which corroded her brain so that it would produce totally asinine statements like that.

You were mentioning 'derogatory rantings' earlier? Interesting double standard there.

I'll bet you appreciated BJ Bill's efforts to not antagonize the Muslim extremists there by being too heavily armed....

Actually the rules of engagement were set up when we deployed to Somalia in December 1992, long before Clinton took office. Additionally, it should be noted that not all the Somali militas are/were Muslim. Indeed, prior to the withdrawl of the Marines and their replacement by the Rangers, one of our biggest problems was from a Christian militia, not the Muslims. As has been pointed out before, our war on terrorism is not a religous war but a war on those who would twist a religion to justify their actions.

Btw, what was it that GWB did to make the nineteen 9/11 terrorists so mad that they crashed planes into buildings?

Having U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia propping up a corrupt monarchy wasn't Bush's fault, although his family's close ties to the Saudis dating back to WWII might make you think otherwise. Imagine how you would feel if there had been Saudi troops camped in Maryland and Virginia keeping Clinton in the White House.

I guess the same kind of behavior which must have been exhibited by FDR, which got the Japanese pissed off enough to attack Pearl Harbor.

You do realize that the Japanese attack was a result of the U.S. oil and mineral embargo imposed by FDR as a response to the Japanese actions in China and Manchuria, I assume. Since we did not have U.S. troops stationed in the Japanese home islands at the time of the attack, and the attack was carried out by the uniformed services of Japan, I don't believe your analogy stands up.

I guess I must be rich then since GWB's tax cuts (tax free dividends, etc) saved me a lot of money.

I hope it was enough to send your kids to private schools and buy them hover cars so they don't have to deal with our crumbling schools and roads. I hope they make enough to qualify for the tax cuts themselves so they won't have to pay the massive debt the Bush administration has stuck America with.

I suppose the Jordanian monster who beheaded Nick Berg will now feel slighted because he doesn't qualify as a "real" terrorist in your book.

Since the quote you used, out of context, was discussing the origin of the 9/11 terrorists rather than terrorists in general, he may feel however he wishes. However, since, to my knowledge, no positive identification of Nick Berg's murderer has been accomplished, you should contact Homeland Security if you have any evidence of the identity or location of that person.

They equate the beheading of Nick Berg or Daniel Pearl with putting panties on an Iraqi's head.

Remember that thing I was saying about us being held to a higher standard? If we are the 'good guys' then maybe we should act like it.

There are evil monsters in the world, then and now, and we needn't worry about what we did to cause them to do the things they did/do. Our existence is cause enough. We just have to know how to kill or imprison as many as we can find.

Perhaps if we continue to not find them in where they were in Afghanistan or where they weren't in Iraq, we can invade Norway. (Take it from me, the troops would enjoy the change in climate.) Meanwhile, the path Bush has chosen is making them faster than we can kill them, has cost us almost 800 lives of people we could have looking for them, and has destabilized a country in an already unstable region which breeds them.

 

[mweiss]

They're always describing Bush, a Yale/Harvard grad, as an uneducated boob.

Perhaps because he acts like an uneducated boob?

...Barbra Streisand...

She's not in the government, making decisions on our behalf. Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush are.

...(former) Rep David Bonior (D-Mich) and Rep Jim McDermott (D-Wash) who appear in Bagdagh before the war, leading, in effect, a rooting section for Saddam Hussein.

Actually, they were there to make the point that the nation was not an imminent threat, and did not need an immediate invasion.

I wonder if Penn, Bonior and McDermott, if they were around in the late 30s, early 40s, would have gone to Berlin to tell the world Hitler wasn't doing anything wrong.

Hitler was going around taking over neighboring countries. When Iraq did that, we rightly intervened...with the support of most of the rest of the world.

How about folks like Hillary who demand to know, re 9/11, what Bush knew and when he knew it? Like Bush knew exactly what was coming

So the daily briefings were made up? Or are you suggesting that he shouldn't be held responsible for ignoring critical information presented to him?

Btw, what was it that GWB did to make the nineteen 9/11 terrorists so mad that they crashed planes into buildings?

Nothing. The stage had been set long before he came into power. However, what he has been doing since then is setting the stage for worse in the future.

No, unfortunately too many hand-wringing liberals almost always assume (esp if there's a Republican in the White House) that the U.S. is in the wrong.

Perhaps if the U.S. didn't spend so much time meddling in other countries' affairs, most often leaving things worse off then they were before entering, those "hand-wringing liberals" wouldn't make such an assumption. What's the point in signing the Geneva Convention if we don't intend to follow it?

We just have to know how to kill or imprison as many as we can find.

Short of complete genocide, how on earth do you expect killing people to stop the recruitment of terrorists in countries like Iraq? Especially with such PR wins as Abu Ghraib.

 

[AgMedallion]

Food for thought for you Kerry supporters:

Oct 9, 2002:  "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."  John Kerry Senate Speech

I guess he flip-flopped on that one.


This one too:


Sep 6, 2002: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act." John Kerry Op-Ed, "We Still Have A Choice On Iraq," The New York Times



For the tree-huggers out there who think Kerry is good for the environment (I guess it's conceivable, assuming you go for "Do as I say, not as I do" types, aka hypocrites):


Apr 21, 2004: "Being responsible about the environment is not some goo-goo, do-gooder, silly notion that you embrace once a year on Earth Day," railed Kerry to a Florida crowd. "It's important to life itself." Interesting statement coming from JFK, since he & his mega-rich wife own a gas guzzling private jet, an energy-eating power yacht, owns five mansions that consume thousands of gallons of oil to heat and cool - and keep a fleet of SUVs running night-and-day outside their Beacon Hill mansion. newsmax



For those concerned about GWB's tax cuts for the rich, Kerry's wife sure knows how to use them ($2.7 million out of $5.115 million was tax free!). The term hypocrite again comes to mind. :

Heinz Kerry Releases Personal Tax Info
FoxNews.com ^ | 5/11/04 | FOX News


Posted on 05/11/2004 1:01:41 PM PDT by NYC Republican


Teresa Heinz Kerry (search) may be the richest potential first lady ever to hit the campaign trail, having earned more than $5 million in taxable and non-taxable income last year.

The campaign of her husband, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry (search), released Heinz Kerry's personal tax information on Tuesday, after revealing that she received an extension to file her 2003 federal income tax return.

Heinz Kerry, who files her returns separately from her husband, said she will make available the first two pages of her 1040 when it's filed in October.

Of the $5.115 million in income, about $2.3 million of dividend and interest income was taxable while another $2.7 million came from tax-exempt state, municipal and other public entity bonds.

 

[KCFlyer]

newsmax and fox news are hardly what I would call "unbiased" sources.

You know what? What's the problem with Kerry's wife filing her taxes separate from her husband? I mean, if he raiises our taxes to 100% and ups the tax on gasoline by $300 per gallon, it's gonna hit his wife too, doncha think?

If Kerry wants to fly a "gas guzzling private jet" (I bet he'd shoot the line boy who filled his jet with "gas"), let him. Heck, it's a lot better than using a gas guzzling public jet to fly down to Crawford Texas on one of his 160 something vacation days. And do they order the butlers and maids to drive those SUV's "night and day", or do he and Theresa sleep in separate shifts to insure that those vehicles operate night and day?

FWIW, Bush never flip flopped on Iraq...he just changed his "focus" a few times in the efforts to justify the war. Finally hit paydirt with the warm fuzzy, "humanitarian" side of the operation.

 

[sentrido]

Food for thought for you Kerry supporters:

Oct 9, 2002:  "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."  John Kerry Senate Speech

I guess he flip-flopped on that one.


This one too:


Sep 6, 2002: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act." John Kerry Op-Ed, "We Still Have A Choice On Iraq," The New York Times



For the tree-huggers out there who think Kerry is good for the environment (I guess it's conceivable, assuming you go for "Do as I say, not as I do" types, aka hypocrites):


Apr 21, 2004: "Being responsible about the environment is not some goo-goo, do-gooder, silly notion that you embrace once a year on Earth Day," railed Kerry to a Florida crowd. "It's important to life itself." Interesting statement coming from JFK, since he & his mega-rich wife own a gas guzzling private jet, an energy-eating power yacht, owns five mansions that consume thousands of gallons of oil to heat and cool - and keep a fleet of SUVs running night-and-day outside their Beacon Hill mansion. newsmax



For those concerned about GWB's tax cuts for the rich, Kerry's wife sure knows how to use them ($2.7 million out of $5.115 million was tax free!). The term hypocrite again comes to mind. :

Heinz Kerry Releases Personal Tax Info
FoxNews.com ^ | 5/11/04 | FOX News


Posted on 05/11/2004 1:01:41 PM PDT by NYC Republican


Teresa Heinz Kerry (search) may be the richest potential first lady ever to hit the campaign trail, having earned more than $5 million in taxable and non-taxable income last year.

The campaign of her husband, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry (search), released Heinz Kerry's personal tax information on Tuesday, after revealing that she received an extension to file her 2003 federal income tax return.

Heinz Kerry, who files her returns separately from her husband, said she will make available the first two pages of her 1040 when it's filed in October.

Of the $5.115 million in income, about $2.3 million of dividend and interest income was taxable while another $2.7 million came from tax-exempt state, municipal and other public entity bonds.

Weres the Flip Flop? You gave 2 quotes wich say essentially the same thing. Where has he been inconsistent?

Oh by the way, dont these quotes Debunk things you have said about Kerry?

As for the Kerry and his wifes weath, all you have demonstrated is that they are willing to tax thier own money.Wheres the hypocrisy?

 

[cob777200]

He meant that Kerry's policies are different now that he is running for president. There is no way in HELL that I will vote for Kerry. Bush has my vote all the way. I fully support what he has done in Iraq. I am disgusted when I hear people complain about the torture that our troops are commiting. Saddam's torture was nothing like what our troops are doing. Besides, they deserve it anyways.

 

[KCFlyer]

He meant that Kerry's policies are different now that he is running for president. There is no way in HELL that I will vote for Kerry. Bush has my vote all the way. I fully support what he has done in Iraq. I am disgusted when I hear people complain about the torture that our troops are commiting. Saddam's torture was nothing like what our troops are doing. Besides, they deserve it anyways.

I haven't said anything about the torture, and I won't...but the excuse that "Saddam was worse" is lame at best. Liberating the Iraqi's was NOT a good enough reason to attack that country. It has, IMHO, made the world LESS safe from terrorism. And I cannot fathom a vote for Bush and his cowboy ways.

 

[sentrido]

He meant that Kerry's policies are different now that he is running for president.

Really? How so? What policies are different now that he is running for president? If you actually bother to look, I think you will find his "policies" on Iraq quite consistent. Please prove me wrong if you can.

 

[mweiss]

Besides, they deserve it anyways.

Ahh, I was waiting for someone to say that. The Republican talking heads are clearly thinking it, but just as clearly aren't saying it because they know how badly it will play among moderates.

So, anyway, just how is it you conclude that these people "deserve it?"