Domestic Lines for PHL 767 International Crews

[nycbusdriver]

I noticed that the International 767 flying out of PHL has almost 40% of its block as non-transatlantic time in November. Ten blocks are one-days which probably do the Caribbean, but 12 block are strictly domestic (SEA and LAS two-days.)

Why are they moving so much domestic flying to the international crews? 40% seems a bit steep, and these types of blocks will probably continue through the Spring.

Do they do this every year?

Can they do this contractually? (Probably so since I haven't heard any howls of protest.)

Any conjecture as to why they are doing this?

 

[Coffee_Tea_Or_Me]

I noticed that the International 767 flying out of PHL has almost 40% of its block as non-transatlantic time in November. Ten blocks are one-days which probably do the Caribbean, but 12 block are strictly domestic (SEA and LAS two-days.)

Why are they moving so much domestic flying to the international crews? 40% seems a bit steep, and these types of blocks will probably continue through the Spring.

Do they do this every year?

Can they do this contractually? (Probably so since I haven't heard any howls of protest.)

Any conjecture as to why they are doing this?

WOW. SEA and LAS will see a US 767? In most winter months, when the seasonal flying ends, they send the Seven-Six to CUN and SJU. I am really shocked to see it is SEA and LAS, instead. That plane is the BEST for transcon, though, so hoo-ray.

 

[autofixer]

Probably because these idots have had people like me frozen on the 737 since May with a 757 domestic bid in CLT. Now, there is no way to train all of the pilots prior to the bid being effective in November...just an educated guess.

 

[nycbusdriver]

WOW. SEA and LAS will see a US 767? In most winter months, when the seasonal flying ends, they send the Seven-Six to CUN and SJU. I am really shocked to see it is SEA and LAS, instead. That plane is the BEST for transcon, though, so hoo-ray.

No. Sorry that my post was a bit ambiguous. The PHL 767 International base includes some 757 flying. The airplanes on the SEA and LAS trips are 757s...but being flown by cockpit crews that are trained (and paid) to do transatlantic flying.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Probably because these idots have had people like me frozen on the 737 since May with a 757 domestic bid in CLT. Now, there is no way to train all of the pilots prior to the bid being effective in November...just an educated guess.

In this instance, I don't think there will be any training involved. Transoceanic-qualified pilots are already qualified to fly domestic, and, since November is the pulldown month for transatlantic due to the closing of the seasonal European cities, there will be plenty of pilots to fly the domestic trips. The question is WHY pay the extra money to pay international rates to pilots who are flying domestic? Why not just keep those trips in the domestic area instead of closing down the domestic base?

 

[autofixer]

I think it is in November that all of the domestic time is comming to CLT. Many of the 757 domestic pilots in PHL just slid over to international. The furloughees that were brought back to the 767 Interantional and already trained are now being displaced to Group II equipment. Meanwhile, many of us have been frozen on the 737 since May, even though we can hold 757 after November, but the idiots don't know their left hand from their right hand. Now they cannot physically train all of the pilots prior to the bid period, so they just put the time in international lines. Genuises! I guess they thought all of those guys in PHL would follow the time to CLT...not!

 

[BoeingBoy]

nycbusdriver,

I thought that the only pay difference between international and domestic on the 75/76 was the international overide and that it was paid based on the route, not the bid held, since international crews have been able to fly domestic to fill their blocks. 'Course, I no longer have access to the contract, so my memory may be off on this.

Jim

 

[nycbusdriver]

nycbusdriver,

I thought that the only pay difference between international and domestic on the 75/76 was the international overide and that it was paid based on the route, not the bid held, since international crews have been able to fly domestic to fill their blocks. 'Course, I no longer have access to the contract, so my memory may be off on this.

Jim

Section 18 J 1. b. says that they have to pay international rates to pilots who hold an international bid for any domestic flying. When I flew international 3 years ago, we couldn't augment our lines with domestic trips. That's not to say that scheduling would not, or could not, POTA a blockholder into a domestic trip. That likely occurred a lot. But they couldn't use international reserves as domestic reserves simply because there is not an assigned duty rest period given to the international reserve pilots. That made it impossibly to determine legal domestic duty days, so it could not be done.

Also, I am very surprised that you didn't keep a copy of the contract and LOAs on your hard drive. You seem to almost magically have instant access to every other rare and long forgotten bit of aviation fact. Nothing with the contract has really changed at all since LOA 93, and I believe you were still active when that train wreck was foisted upon us by the weak 57%.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Thanks for the info (and correction)......don't know if I was recalling something from way back when there were only a couple of Europe flights or just plain wrong.

Jim

 

[hula-flyguy]

A PT can be set for intl crews to fly domestic.

Mixed pairings and mixed blocks are legal.

 

[Thunderbolt]

Can you tell me how much the overide is now. LOA 93 states it was
reduced by a certain percentage but I do not know how it was to begin with.

Who knows where that contract is anymore.

 

[a320av8r]

I think it is in November that all of the domestic time is comming to CLT. Many of the 757 domestic pilots in PHL just slid over to international. The furloughees that were brought back to the 767 Interantional and already trained are now being displaced to Group II equipment. Meanwhile, many of us have been frozen on the 737 since May, even though we can hold 757 after November, but the idiots don't know their left hand from their right hand. Now they cannot physically train all of the pilots prior to the bid period, so they just put the time in international lines. Genuises! I guess they thought all of those guys in PHL would follow the time to CLT...not!

The 757 time is coming to CLT effective with the December permanent base bid including the Caribbean flying. Only transoceanic (Europe) pays the override (LOA93), Jim is correct.

Excerpt from LOA 93:

Revisions to Hourly Pay Rates:
The rates of pay specified in Section 3 of the Agreement, as
modified by the Restructuring Agreement, will be revised as
follows:
1. Freeze current rates effective 5/01/04 through 12/31/09.
2. Reduce rates as frozen by 18%.
3. Reduce International pay override, as stated in Section
3(F) and Section 18©, by 18% for transoceanic trips;
eliminate international override for non-transoceanic trips.
4. Pay all flying at day rate.

 

[Atlantic]

Vet,
You got it. Oceanic is a bid position. However now we are doing some dom. flying, and getting paid those rates. That's are old friend #93 kicking in again. Maybe the CO is keeping some of us around to keep busy. I think the drive for the Nov. trips is that there will not be enough Dom. pilots trained to cover these trips.