DR. Ben Carson enters Pres Run

[Ms Tree]

Separation of church and state means that USA gov. will not establish an official religion - e.g. Church of USA. It absolutely does not mean that the USA is not a Christian country.With respect to Huckster, he will drop out but get enough exposure to increase the fees for his speaking engagements, maybe a new radio/TV deal, etc.  To deny that the influence of Christianity on the founding of the USA (e.g. declaration of independence), and to deny that USA is indeed a Christian county (the socialists would love that) is to have a willing suspension of disbelief.  At least 1 person understands separation of church and state.

Carson has indicated he want to bring religion back into the country. If he wants to do it in an official capacity then it would be a violation of the separation of church and state. We are secular nation. The founding document than all US law is based on make not a single mention of a.god or christianity. Many of the founders were deists not theists.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

If he wants to do it in an official capacity then it would be a violation of the separation of church and state. We are secular nation. The founding document than all US law is based on make not a single mention of a.god or christianity.

I respectfully disagree.

Founding documents (declaration of independence, constitution, bill or rights): look through them and try to find where/how they set up a framework for a secular society. The founders set up a system where the church is actually protected from influence of the state. That is why here, unlike in Europe, churches, synagogues, mosques, etc. are tax-exempt entities and not dependent of federal gov money to function. Unlike European state churches.  That is exactly what Jefferson meant when he wrote about the wall of separation between church and state.  To claim otherwise is revisionist history.
 
The founders never sought to eliminate God from society. This doesn't apply to just public buildings & nativity scenes. Think about it, the president is sworn in on the Bible and has been a Christian, the House and Senate have a chaplain, etc.etc. etc.
 
Also look at the statistics, more of a real-time data:  the great majority of Americans have always, and continue to do so today, answered /indicated that they are either spiritual or religious or regularly attend a religious service. More anecdotal evidence can be found from newcomers to the USA, who will always say that they indeed find Americans a more religious bunch.

 

[southwind]

Carson has indicated he want to bring religion back into the country. If he wants to do it in an official capacity then it would be a violation of the separation of church and state. We are secular nation. The founding document than all US law is based on make not a single mention of a.god or christianity. Many of the founders were deists not theists.

 
Yes, because the country is doing sooooooo much better without it!

 

[Ms Tree]

I agree that the intent was not to eliminate religion from society. I 5hink the intent was to separate it from government. There are no laws not should there be any laws that restrict the exercise of religion. The issue comes when government tries to force religion on people via school prayer or monuments or what ever. I do not think that was the intent of the COTUS. The fact that all previous presidents have been Christian males does not mean that was the intent. Christians are in the majority as far as population is concerned so the fact that Christians are in power is not surprising. That does not make us a Christian nation.

 

[Ms Tree]

Yes, because the country is doing sooooooo much better without it!

With out what? You think religion is absent from the US?

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Christians are in the majority as far as population is concerned  ... ... .... That does not make us a Christian nation.

 
Given that as you say, the majority of the population is Christian, it certainly does make the USA a Christian nation.
 
If we follow your logic, does it mean that Israel is a Buddhist country?
 
Do you see how illogical your statement is?
 

 There are no laws not should there be any laws that restrict the exercise of religion. The issue comes when government tries to force religion on people via school prayer or monuments or what ever. I do not think that was the intent of the COTUS.

 
But one could almost argue that there are policies, condoned and enforced by various levels of government, that are designed to eliminate religion, particularly Christians, as they are the easiest target and the most docile.
A great example is school districts having winter holiday celebrations as opposed to a Christmas Party, but at the same time not censoring the names of other religious festivals (Hanukkah, Ramadan, Diwali, etc.).  Why not call it what it is?
 
Just my $0.02

 

[Ms Tree]

Ok Perhaps it's a matter 9f definition but we are no more Christianon nation than we are a female nation or a brunette nation. There is no official religion in the US. Not sure about Israel.

What specific laws are trying to eliminate Christianity? I am nor aware of any official Hanuka or Ramadan holiday. Do you have some examples?

 

[Dog Wonder]

 
it just is what it is.

The mantra of the confused.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

The sad truth's that you... are just too stupid... being anything but simply stupid, and even essentially insane, for that matter...it just is what it is.

Carry on.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

 
Given that as you say, the majority of the population is Christian, it certainly does make the USA a Christian nation.
 
If we follow your logic, does it mean that Israel is a Buddhist country?
 
Do you see how illogical your statement is?
 
 
But one could almost argue that there are policies, condoned and enforced by various levels of government, that are designed to eliminate religion, particularly Christians, as they are the easiest target and the most docile.
A great example is school districts having winter holiday celebrations as opposed to a Christmas Party, but at the same time not censoring the names of other religious festivals (Hanukkah, Ramadan, Diwali, etc.).  Why not call it what it is?
 
Just my $0.02

 
Of course public schools should have (ONLY) a 'Winter Holiday Celebration'.
Christianity successfully HIJACKED the Winter Solstice holiday to SELL it as some PHONEY celebration as if something actually happened around December 21-25 that was in fact christian.
But Thank the CREATOR above, each and every year more and more and more people are coming to realize that Jesus and 12/25 is a FRAUD.
BUT, with that said, Party on...during the Winter Solstice. Decorate the fir trees, exchange gifts and burn the Yule log just as the people have for thousands and thousands of years !
 
AND isn't coincident that Hanukkah is just around the same time of year  !!
 
The Winter Solstice, Hanukkah and Ramadan are FACTUAL Proven holidays, unlike another large religion.
Helll, they even ARGUE over when (the so called) Easter is.
Why does PT Barnum and the phrase SUCKER keep coming to mind  ??

 

[SparrowHawk]

Carson is many things, most importantly he seems to have a principled approach.
 
You have Bernie Sanders, Dr. Carson both men of integrity, conviction and courage running for office and that's good for the country

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

What specific laws are trying to eliminate Christianity? I am nor aware of any official Hanuka or Ramadan holiday. Do you have some examples?

 
Maybe you don't have the luxury of currently having kids attend public school system or the privilege to live in a highly taxed and highly progressive jurisdiction to see the efforts to minimize / eliminate anything Christian while at the same time promoting other religious observances.
 

But Thank the CREATOR above, each and every year more and more and more people are coming to realize that Jesus and 12/25 is a FRAUD.

 
Oh, this is rich, somebody thanking the Creator above and at the same time stating Jesus as a fraud.
While 12/25 is likely not the actual birthday of Jesus, it is nevertheless the day it is observed/celebrated.
 
I guess this is a perfect example of liberal tolerance.
 
I'll try to remember to wish you a Merry Christmas in December.

 

[Ms Tree]

I have numerous nieces and nephews as well as friends with kids. No indication of what you are referring to.

I am aware of school districts taking Christian events out of the curriculum and such but that has nothing to do with eliminating Christianity. Just taking it out of the public sector and allowing people to observe their faith in private where it should be done. I am aware of classes that teach about other faiths, homosexuality and other issues but these lasses do not officially endorse anything.

I was raised jewish. I can remember growing up and asking my folks why all that was ever sang in Holliday events at school were all Christian songs. Asking why there were no menorah in school. Never got an adequate answer.

Religion has absolutely no place in the public sector. Let me know when the government tries to pass a law restriction your ability to practice your faith.

 

[delldude]

I have numerous nieces and nephews as well as friends with kids. No indication of what you are referring to.

I am aware of school districts taking Christian events out of the curriculum and such but that has nothing to do with eliminating Christianity. Just taking it out of the public sector and allowing people to observe their faith in private where it should be done. I am aware of classes that teach about other faiths, homosexuality and other issues but these lasses do not officially endorse anything.

I was raised jewish. I can remember growing up and asking my folks why all that was ever sang in Holliday events at school were all Christian songs. Asking why there were no menorah in school. Never got an adequate answer.

Religion has absolutely no place in the public sector. Let me know when the government tries to pass a law restriction your ability to practice your faith.

 
Try not baking a cake and see how friendly gov't is towards religious convictions.

 

[eolesen]

Why did Perry not send the NG when the US military did exercises in TX back in 2001?

Ignorance.... The Texas Guard is not the same as the National Guard. It's a state military branch. 32 states currently have them, and they're fairly evenly split between Red & Blue states.
 

Separation of church and state means that USA gov. will not establish an official religion - e.g. Church of USA. It absolutely does not mean that the USA is not a Christian country.

To deny that the influence of Christianity on the founding of the USA (e.g. declaration of independence), and to deny that USA is indeed a Christian county (the socialists would love that) is to have a willing suspension of disbelief.

^This^
 

Try not baking a cake and see how friendly gov't is towards religious convictions.

And ^this^

It's OK to wear a headscarf or yarmulke in the public schools, but God forbid someone want to pray or wear a cross necklace.