Executive Order

[delldude]

One thing I still find funny....it's easy to find a video of the biggest defender of teh second amendment (Ted Nugent) holding up a military weapon. But when he had the opportunity to let this oppressive government GIVE him one of those guns - he #### his pants and left it there so he wouldn't have to use it. After the draft got abolished, he gets pretty cozy with those type of guns.

Heresay?

For the sake of argument, let's assume the document's legit. The document's codes tell us:

• In February 1967, Nugent was classified as 1-S (Deferment to complete high school).
• In December 1967, Nugent was classified as 1-A (Available for unrestricted service)
• In February 1968, Nugent was reclassified as 2-S (Deferment for college study)
• In February 1969, Nugeent was reclassified as 1-A (Available for unrestricted service)
• In August, 1969, Nugent was given an armed forces physical exam
• Two months later, Nugent was reclassified as 1-Y (A designation usually given to those with limiting medical conditions. He was eligible for military service, but only in case of war or National Emergency)
• In December 1972, reclassified again. Hard to read on the document, but it may say 4-F. (Most former 1-Y registrants were reclassified 4-F, not acceptable for military service, when the 1-Y classification was abolished in late 1971)

We can debate Nugent's intent all day. Detractors now rehash tales of Nugent skipping personal hygiene prior to his physical to win deferment. But, even if true (and call me skeptical), soiled undies probably wouldn't rate a status of 1-Y. More likely, his last deferment reflects Nugent's long documented hearing loss associated with his early rock career.

Nugent was a long-hair madman rocker when dodging the draft was the stuff of popular myth and legend. But is there anything in his deferment history not in line with tens of thousands of others granted in the era?

One final thought. It's nice we have access to documents to help vet Nugent's record. Too bad our president prevents similar scrutiny keeping most records of his past under seal.

http://www.radioshow...ice-status.html

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Then you'd have to contemplate the extremists on the right.

Then let them come dell.
I mean...sh!t, how much MORE extreme are they then the C S's of 911 ?

PS,
NRA 'TOP rated' former Fl. comgressman Joe Scarborough(who live close by to NT/CT.) said in a 10 min. monolog this morning @ 6 am,...."ENOUGH is ENOUGH" with the violent video games, certain movies..AND..resistance from ANY REPUG against moderate Gun Control !

I think.. J S was refering to GUN Show loopholes, strong background checks, and assault weapons.

I DON'T think.. J S was refering to a dude owning a Glock 6-9 clip, a shotgun or a '30-30' etc (for protection/hunting).

Sorry ol' friend. THIS is one battle (this time) that you're gonna' come out on the losing end on. (JUST like on 11/06/12) !

 

[delldude]

Then let them come dell.
I mean...sh!t, how much MORE extreme are they then the C S's of 911 ?

PS,
NRA 'TOP rated' former Fl. comgressman Joe Scarborough(who live close by to NT/CT.) said in a 10 min. monolog this morning @ 6 am,...."ENOUGH is ENOUGH" with the violent video games, certain movies..AND..resistance from ANY REPUG against moderate Gun Control !

I think.. J S was refering to GUN Show loopholes, strong background checks, and assault weapons.

I DON'T think.. J S was refering to a dude owning a Glock 6-9 clip, a shotgun or a '30-30' etc (for protection/hunting).

Sorry ol' friend. THIS is one battle (this time) that you're gonna' come out on the losing end on. (JUST like on 11/06/12) !

I didn't lose anything on election day. You did.
Its the first scene in the eventual total disarming of America, take that to the bank.

He may have a point on the video games.....Afghanistan they sit around and play (simulator) kill videos then go out and do it.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

I didn't lose anything on election day. You did.
Its the first scene in the eventual total disarming of America, take that to the bank.

He may have a point on the video games.....Afghanistan they sit around and play (simulator) kill videos then go out and do it.

And Joe Scarborough's comments..dell ?

 

[delldude]

And Joe Scarborough's comments..dell ?

You neglect to consider those dems whose electorate hunts and shoots.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

EO - No.
What I don't understand is why the hell we advertise places like schools, churches and malls as Gun Free Zones?

Look at the number of mass murders that have taken place in Gun Free Zones! For example, James Holmes had 11 movie theaters within a 20 minute drive from his home, all showing the Batman movie. He went to the only theater that had posted signs banning firearms in the theater.

Something to think about.

 

[RDU Jetblast]

Prove it then.

Prove what? The amendment gives right to bear arms. Doesnt stipulate whats arms is. That may be a matter of defining.

 

[Ms Tree]

Then let them come dell.
I mean...sh!t, how much MORE extreme are they then the C S's of 911 ?

PS,
NRA 'TOP rated' former Fl. comgressman Joe Scarborough(who live close by to NT/CT.) said in a 10 min. monolog this morning @ 6 am,...."ENOUGH is ENOUGH" with the violent video games, certain movies..AND..resistance from ANY REPUG against moderate Gun Control !

I think.. J S was refering to GUN Show loopholes, strong background checks, and assault weapons.

I DON'T think.. J S was refering to a dude owning a Glock 6-9 clip, a shotgun or a '30-30' etc (for protection/hunting).

Sorry ol' friend. THIS is one battle (this time) that you're gonna' come out on the losing end on. (JUST like on 11/06/12) !

My uinderstanding is that asult weapons are very rarely if ever used in crimes. Banning assult weapons is not going to crap to stem the tide of gun violence.

 

[yoyodyne]

To preserve Liberty if the Federal Government becomes to powerful.

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...pssst...
You don't need an assault weapon. You really really really don't.
You're going to defend yourself against a government that has nuclear weapons, stealth bombers, drones, SEALs and the United States fa-chrissakes Marine Corps with your piddly-ass AR-15? Good luck with that; send me a note from the front.

 

[777 fixer]

I think you need a reality check.

He's done it several times.....

You need to stop listening to who ever is telling you an executive order has an all encompassing power.

If that were the case why did Bill Clinton spend so much time supporting the Brady Bill? Should'nt he have just signed an E.O. making its provisions the law of the land? Same goes for Obama Care, Medicare Part D or preet much every law supported by a president.

What about bills a president vetoed but was overridden by congress? Couldn't the president just have signed an executive order saying otherwise?

 

[700UW]

The whole thread is a moot point an executive order cannot override nor replace a Constitutional Amendment.

If you mean by the president, or by the executive branch, no. There is a pretty intense process to repealing, as well as ratifying an amendment, because amendments are pretty much ultimate law.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/Presidential-Executive-Orders.htm

A presidential executive order (EO) is a directive issued to federal agencies, department heads, or other federal employees by the President of the United States under his statutory or constitutional powers.

In many ways, presidential executive orders are similar to written orders, or instructions issued by the president of a corporation to its department heads or directors.

Thirty days after being published in the Federal Register, executive orders become law. While they do bypass the U.S. Congress and the standard legislative law making process, no part of an executive order may direct the agencies to conduct illegal or unconstitutional activities.

 

[777 fixer]

To preserve Liberty if the Federal Government becomes to powerful.

Listening to people like you I thought that had already happened.

 

[delldude]

You need to stop listening to who ever is telling you an executive order has an all encompassing power.

If that were the case why did Bill Clinton spend so much time supporting the Brady Bill? Should'nt he have just signed an E.O. making its provisions the law of the land? Same goes for Obama Care, Medicare Part D or preet much every law supported by a president.

What about bills a president vetoed but was overridden by congress? Couldn't the president just have signed an executive order saying otherwise?

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No, I think you need to realize what a president can and can not do.

Just because Clinton did this or that doesn't mean Obama can or can't.

Why couldn't the president cut an EO on an overridden bill?

 

[delldude]

The whole thread is a moot point an executive order cannot override nor replace a Constitutional Amendment.

He can if Congress lets him.

 

[delldude]

My uinderstanding is that asult weapons are very rarely if ever used in crimes. Banning assult weapons is not going to crap to stem the tide of gun violence.

You miss the venue......pass an assault weapons ban then start making all guns fall under the definition....How do you eat an elephant?
One bite at a time.