F/A TA agreement

[usfliboi]

JNC Update - January 22, 2012

Ladies and Gentlemen,

As you know, the Joint Negotiations Committee has been in negotiations with the Company since last Tuesday. In previous communications from the JNC, the session - under the guidance of the National Mediation Board - was scheduled in an attempt to finally unite the East and West Flight Attendant work groups of US Airways under one industry leading contract.

Prior to the start of the session, the NMB informed the Union and the company this session would be the last scheduled session to reach that goal.

Both the Union and the company worked very hard this past week. Each day's session did not end at 1700 as both parties worked long into each night.

At 0230 this morning, both parties were as close as possible to reaching an agreement. As in most negotiations, closing the last remaining open issues are the toughest for both parties. At the direction, of the NMB, the session has been adjourned until Tuesday, January 24, 2012.

It is important to note, negotiations have not been recessed and will continue on Tuesday. In light of the state of the industry, every clause and provision of the agreement must be precise and - more importantly - result in an agreement that meets the needs and welfare of our members.

The JNC has updated both Master Executive Councils this evening and will continue negotiations on Tuesday.

Due to the sensitivity of the few remaining issues, the Mediator has imposed a lock down on communication. We understand everyone's patience with this lengthy process has been tested beyond reasonable limits.

After Tuesday's session, the JNC will update the Master Executive Councils in detail and following that will report to you.

Thank you,

The JNC
Mike Flores
Deborah Volpe
Carol Austin
Eva DeCastro

 

[Reed Richards]

JNC Update - January 22, 2012
Prior to the start of the session, the NMB informed the Union and the company this session would be the last scheduled session to reach that goal.

I am not informed. Absent a T/A, does this portend a "parking" of the F/A's and Company (like the pilots will soon get) or a release to "further union activities?"

Thanks in advance for any clarity, including opinion.

RR

 

[Elevation]

I am not informed. Absent a T/A, does this portend a "parking" of the F/A's and Company (like the pilots will soon get) or a release to "further union activities?"

Thanks in advance for any clarity, including opinion.

RR

You are drastically ill informed, the pilots are no where near being parked. How's that for clarity. Hopefully the FA's can put some of this Greek tragedy behind them and move on without the idiots at USAPA costing them anymore money.

 

[ggiby]

You are drastically ill informed, the pilots are no where near being parked. How's that for clarity. Hopefully the FA's can put some of this Greek tragedy behind them and move on without the idiots at USAPA costing them anymore money.

you forgot to add...""""" LOL"'''''''

 

[fodase]

You are drastically ill informed, the pilots are no where near being parked. How's that for clarity. Hopefully the FA's can put some of this Greek tragedy behind them and move on without the idiots at USAPA costing them anymore money.

Actually the pilots are about to be parked, not because they are close to a deal, but for the sheer incompetent stupidity of the east pilots union called usapa

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

Actually the pilots are about to be parked, not because they are close to a deal, but for the sheer incompetent stupidity of the east pilots union called usapa

Do us all a favor and take it back over to the cesspool you call the pilot thread.

 

[ggiby]

Do us all a favor and take it back over to the cesspool you call the pilot thread.

The cesspool thread you are referring to is quite boring. There are maybe three diehards on the thread bantering back and forth about mundane things.
At least this one is cordial and informative. !!! IMHO

 

[usfliboi]

JNC Update - January 22, 2012

Ladies and Gentlemen,

As you know, the Joint Negotiations Committee has been in negotiations with the Company since last Tuesday. In previous communications from the JNC, the session - under the guidance of the National Mediation Board - was scheduled in an attempt to finally unite the East and West Flight Attendant work groups of US Airways under one industry leading contract.

Prior to the start of the session, the NMB informed the Union and the company this session would be the last scheduled session to reach that goal.

Both the Union and the company worked very hard this past week. Each day's session did not end at 1700 as both parties worked long into each night.

At 0230 this morning, both parties were as close as possible to reaching an agreement. As in most negotiations, closing the last remaining open issues are the toughest for both parties. At the direction, of the NMB, the session has been adjourned until Tuesday, January 24, 2012.

It is important to note, negotiations have not been recessed and will continue on Tuesday. In light of the state of the industry, every clause and provision of the agreement must be precise and - more importantly - result in an agreement that meets the needs and welfare of our members.

The JNC has updated both Master Executive Councils this evening and will continue negotiations on Tuesday.

Due to the sensitivity of the few remaining issues, the Mediator has imposed a lock down on communication. We understand everyone's patience with this lengthy process has been tested beyond reasonable limits.

After Tuesday's session, the JNC will update the Master Executive Councils in detail and following that will report to you.

Thank you,

The JNC
Mike Flores
Deborah Volpe
Carol Austin
Eva DeCastro

JNC Update - January 24, 2012

The JNC met with the company last week in PHX in negotiations under mediation overseen by the National Mediation Board (NMB). After a long week, which ended Sunday morning at 0300 PHX time, the company has the Union's proposal to close out negotiations and move forward with a single agreement.



The JNC is still awaiting the company's response to our last proposal. Once the proposal is received the JNC will evaluate it, and respond accordingly. If we cannot reach an agreement with the company that meets the needs of our members and provides needed job protection provisions along with the previously negotiated work rule, benefits and compensation improvements the union will seek any and all avenues of action under the terms of the Railway Labor Act.



More information will be provided as it becomes available.



Thank you,



The Joint Negotiating Committee

 

[crazystnic]

JNC Update - January 24, 2012

The JNC met with the company last week in PHX in negotiations under mediation overseen by the National Mediation Board (NMB). After a long week, which ended Sunday morning at 0300 PHX time, the company has the Union's proposal to close out negotiations and move forward with a single agreement.



The JNC is still awaiting the company's response to our last proposal. Once the proposal is received the JNC will evaluate it, and respond accordingly. If we cannot reach an agreement with the company that meets the needs of our members and provides needed job protection provisions along with the previously negotiated work rule, benefits and compensation improvements the union will seek any and all avenues of action under the terms of the Railway Labor Act.



More information will be provided as it becomes available.



Thank you,



The Joint Negotiating Committee

Good update.... Best of luck in dealing with

L. liars
c. Criminals
c. Crooks

 

[Travelpro72]

The tentative agreement close to finishing and brought to a road show near you is GARBAGE! Take that to the bank and debate it all you like. G A R B A G E!

 

[usfliboi]

The tentative agreement close to finishing and brought to a road show near you is GARBAGE! Take that to the bank and debate it all you like. G A R B A G E!

LOL OH PLEASE!!!!!!! No need to debate since you have no clue what you are talking about!

 

[diamondcutter]

The tentative agreement close to finishing and brought to a road show near you is GARBAGE! Take that to the bank and debate it all you like. G A R B A G E!

I guess you ARE in the know ... U post on here and on facebook .. Yes you the sec/tres of the PHL lec . You bash commuters senior mamma's . ... Not very professional as an officer of the union. Mike you should know better! Check your emotions before typing, you work for your members ALL of them.

 

[ContUNITEus]

So, I wonder - once the TA is out, if the west F/A's will just vote anything in. Wonder if there is gonna be some sort of statistic on how each group votes. I would assume that because the west F/A's are at such a disadvantage (payscale-wise) that they would just vote yes to anything that raises their salaries a bit. I certainly can understand them. Based on that group having voted in the previous toilet paper called a CBA, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Let's hope that this TA is something really good.

 

[N903AW]

So, I wonder - once the TA is out, if the west F/A's will just vote anything in.

I would assume that because the west F/A's are at such a disadvantage (payscale-wise) that they would just vote yes to anything that raises their salaries a bit.

Let's hope that this TA is something really good.

As a Phoenix based FA, I can tell you that a "Yes" vote will not come without intense scrutiny of the TA from the majority of Phoenix-based FAs.

You need to realise that 67% of the Phoenix based FA workgroup is topped out on the payscale (this figure was obtained directly from our MEC). That 67% is just a tiny fraction lower in payrates as our topped out DCA, PHL and CLT based counterparts. However, we have better vacation, 100% deadhead and cancellation pay, flexibility as blockholders, and most important - better insurance. All of these I mentioned have been rumored to be compromised in the upcoming TA to bring better pay. The devil will be in the details once a TA is presented.

If all those things mentioned (vacation, insurance, etc.) are reduced or reformed to supplement a higher payscale, then the 67% of us on the west that are topped out will probably not see payraises when you subtract the monetary amount of what we will be LOSING in those prior contractual benefits.

To say that a "YES" vote would automatically come from the West side is just wrong. It may happen with our more junior members (the other 33%), but it certainly won't come from the majority of the senior members who may be asked to give up A LOT to support payraises for the more junior membership. I, personally, am in that top 67% of topped out Flight Attendants in Phoenix. After the TA is presented, I am going to go through it with a fine tooth comb to see if any pay increases were subsidized by loss in vacation time, cost of insurance and dimishment of benefits....and how much that is going to cost me personally vs. how much I am "supposed" to be gaining.

Trust me, if there is any compromise incurred by our top 67% to justify a pay increase I will be at every road show, on every chat board and any other means of communication available to shout it from the rooftops.

A "YES" vote from Phoenix will not come easy if the senior blockholders like myself have to sacrifice to bring junior payscales up. It just won't happen. Please don't take this as a "throw junior FAs under the bus" type of view. We all deserve pay increases and better workrules, from the most junior to the most senior. However one group should not be asked or required to give up for the benefit of another.

 

[galley princess]

As a Phoenix based FA, I can tell you that a "Yes" vote will not come without intense scrutiny of the TA from the majority of Phoenix-based FAs.

You need to realise that 67% of the Phoenix based FA workgroup is topped out on the payscale (this figure was obtained directly from our MEC). That 67% is just a tiny fraction lower in payrates as our topped out DCA, PHL and CLT based counterparts. However, we have better vacation, 100% deadhead and cancellation pay, flexibility as blockholders, and most important - better insurance. All of these I mentioned have been rumored to be compromised in the upcoming TA to bring better pay. The devil will be in the details once a TA is presented.

If all those things mentioned (vacation, insurance, etc.) are reduced or reformed to supplement a higher payscale, then the 67% of us on the west that are topped out will probably not see payraises when you subtract the monetary amount of what we will be LOSING in those prior contractual benefits.

To say that a "YES" vote would automatically come from the West side is just wrong. It may happen with our more junior members (the other 33%), but it certainly won't come from the majority of the senior members who may be asked to give up A LOT to support payraises for the more junior membership. I, personally, am in that top 67% of topped out Flight Attendants in Phoenix. After the TA is presented, I am going to go through it with a fine tooth comb to see if any pay increases were subsidized by loss in vacation time, cost of insurance and dimishment of benefits....and how much that is going to cost me personally vs. how much I am "supposed" to be gaining.

Trust me, if there is any compromise incurred by our top 67% to justify a pay increase I will be at every road show, on every chat board and any other means of communication available to shout it from the rooftops.

A "YES" vote from Phoenix will not come easy if the senior blockholders like myself have to sacrifice to bring junior payscales up. It just won't happen. Please don't take this as a "throw junior FAs under the bus" type of view. We all deserve pay increases and better workrules, from the most junior to the most senior. However one group should not be asked or required to give up for the benefit of another.

Excellent post.

I am not even in the top 50% of seniority on the EAST side, and yet I regard this TA as probably DOA.

So far, all I have read is a bunch of concessions. Our bidding system, our reserve system and current scheduling flexibility are all being tossed away cavalierly for new systems that benefit the very senior and do nothing to correct the situation for the junior. I went back and looked at the union's q&a for the new reserve system and it's just LTO in drag. It still doesn't allow for a senior reserve to fly and get DONE. Reserve guarantee should be 85hours, not 71 and if you're a senior reserve you should be able to get your time and go home.

Not to mention the not senior but not completely junior class of us that has toiled away under the current system waiting to enjoy the perks that come with gaining seniority, only to have it swept away for yet another system that is even more scewed in favor of the very senior.

The most perplexing thing is that concessions are being entertained at ALL.

The idea is that you take the best of both contracts and then go up from there. Keeping in mind that we both have INFERIOR contracts to begin with.

I just hope that FAs on both sides will be cognizant of the change that HAS happened. US despite trying to act/ cry like it, is NOT in bankruptcy. They are trying very hard not to pay industry standard, which is completely unacceptable, and at this very moment are investigating another EXPENSIVE merger. They can afford to pay us.

United just got a decent contract, WITH a signing bonus.

We deserve the same.

If whatever the negotiating committe presents to us is not in line with what United just got, it needs to be voted down.

The other thing that I am going to be looking for in a big way is what they have done to correct the inferior working conditions that I am encountering more and more frequently. Carts that have no brakes, hotels that are in areas you wouldn't leave your dog, not to mention their condition, staffing on international with "service creep" that US seems to think they can get away with. All of these things matter.