FA TA voted down

[flybynite]

not good

 

[flyus2]

You keep saying that the West is getting such a huge wage increase to bring them up to parity with the East. Don't you know that the West F/As are the only group in the company that do not pay for health insurance? It looks like they are getting so much more, but they will have to pay for medical benefits just like the rest of us do, so in reality, it isn't as big an increase as it looks on paper.

 

[PITbull]

You keep saying that the West is getting such a huge wage increase to bring them up to parity with the East. Don't you know that the West F/As are the only group in the company that do not pay for health insurance? It looks like they are getting so much more, but they will have to pay for medical benefits just like the rest of us do, so in reality, it isn't as big an increase as it looks on paper.

And, that is the case, and you are spot on. In reality, it goes in one pocket, and then right out the other.

 

[ContUNITEus]

You keep saying that the West is getting such a huge wage increase to bring them up to parity with the East. Don't you know that the West F/As are the only group in the company that do not pay for health insurance? It looks like they are getting so much more, but they will have to pay for medical benefits just like the rest of us do, so in reality, it isn't as big an increase as it looks on paper.

Woowoowowow wait a minute... "West doesn't pay for health insurance?" Did I read that right.....

TOTALLY MISS-INFORMED THERE, PAL!!!!

Where the hell did you get that info/notion/idea - that the west gets free health insurance? Who told you that?

 

[BungeeJumper]

You keep saying that the West is getting such a huge wage increase to bring them up to parity with the East. Don't you know that the West F/As are the only group in the company that do not pay for health insurance? It looks like they are getting so much more, but they will have to pay for medical benefits just like the rest of us do, so in reality, it isn't as big an increase as it looks on paper.

This is incorrect. The west FAs do pay for their insurance. It's currently at $99.70 per month for 100% coverage, and the premium cost to the FA is contractually limited. In the first TA, AFA66 posted a page with a spreadsheet where the FA's could compare the totals. I couldn't find the TA2 spreadsheet, but the amount of pay wasn't significantly increased in TA2, so it's still the best example. A topped out (26+year) west FA, who works 71 hours per month, insuring only themselves, would have received $7k/yr base salary pay increase. The insurance premiums for that FA would have increased $400/yr (keeping 100% coverage).

 

[PITbull]

This is incorrect. The west FAs do pay for their insurance. It's currently at $99.70 per month for 100% coverage, and the premium cost to the FA is contractually limited. In the first TA, AFA66 posted a page with a spreadsheet where the FA's could compare the totals. I couldn't find the TA2 spreadsheet, but the amount of pay wasn't significantly increased in TA2, so it's still the best example. A topped out (26+year) west FA, who works 71 hours per month, insuring only themselves, would have received $7k/yr base salary pay increase. The insurance premiums for that FA would have increased $400/yr (keeping 100% coverage).

So, let me see if I follow this right...the West f/as would have been receiving approx $525 a month increase in a pay raise, about 254.00 by-weekly; but the medical would cost them $400 a month pre tax to cover just themselves at 100%, with smaller deductable for that coverage... and if they had no health event the entire year, then they would have approx. $63-65.00 per pay as a first year raise. ($125.00 after health care deduction per month).

In essence, the f/as from the West are receiving $125 a month increase $63.00 a pay for 71 hours of flying. And those West f/as who are getting the same pay raise, but opt for 100% family coverage or single with child, those employee health contributions would be higher, eating the monthly pay raise at the TOP of the pay scale.


Most f/as need health care specifically if they are at the top out pay scale, so the pay raise goes in one pocket and out the other.. sounds like a pretty fair T/A for the company, indeed.

 

[FWAAA]

So, let me see if I follow this right...the West f/as would have been receiving approx $525 a month increase in a pay raise, about 254.00 by-weekly; but the medical would cost them $400 a month pre tax to cover just themselves at 100%, with smaller deductable for that coverage... and if they had no health event the entire year, then they would have approx. $63-65.00 per pay as a first year raise. ($125.00 after health care deduction per month).

BungeeJumper said $400/year increase, not $400/month as you incorrectly stated.

There appears to be no limit to the gymnastics you'll engage in a continuous attempt to inaccurately minimze the magnitude of the raise contained in the TA.

The West appears to be paying approx. $100/mo now. A $400/year increase would mean another $33/mo on top of the $100/mo current cost for a total cost of almost exactly $133/mo.

 

[PITbull]

Well, thx for that correction. I did read it wrong if the figures above are correct.

$200.00 per pay is not unusual for health care contribution at 100% coverage minus a deductable. I currently pay through my company $139.00 per pay contribution, which includes single w/ child. But my salary is 2.5 times higher than your average f/a monthly pay.


It makes better sense that their health insurance for single is at approx. $133 per month. I will have to find out from the leadership, because that is what the East was paying back in 2005 when I left. By the figures above, health care for employee contribution hasn't gone up by any significance.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

So, let me see if I follow this right.
In essence, the f/as from the West are receiving $125 a month increase $63.00 a pay for 71 hours of flying. And those West f/as who are getting the same pay raise, but opt for 100% family coverage or single with child, those employee health contributions would be higher, eating the monthly pay raise at the TOP of the pay scale.

More NObilizer fuzzy math.

Not only are the Moron Zombies unable to read they are unable to count.

When THE legend of AFA can't get it right it makes you wonder how the rest of the CLT NObilizers will get it right (CC).

While your checking with "leadership" (CC) why don't you ask them (CC) is it
$200,000,000.00 over the life of the contract or is it $40 mil.

MultiplyingMorons MM! I forgot, they CAN'T multiply!

 

[SKY HIGH]

STRIKE VOTE: http://ourafa.org/mobilization/strike-vote-see-us-together-hear-us-together/#more-1235

We will be providing detailed information regarding the strike vote, including strategic information on AFA’s trademarked CHAOS™ strike tactics. The vote will commence on October 31 and conclude on November 20.
The decision to take a strike vote is not lightly.

 

[wings396]

When it comes to medical plans, the 100% is very costly across all work groups. The people at the benefit fairs have explained in detail what plan may be best suited for each individual. Basically if you have a lot of health issues, the top plan is your best bet. While one never knows what may happen, the other plans will cost much less with a max out of pocket amount.

 

[Harry Callahan]

STRIKE VOTE: http://ourafa.org/mo...ther/#more-1235

We will be providing detailed information regarding the strike vote, including strategic information on AFA’s trademarked CHAOS™ strike tactics. The vote will commence on October 31 and conclude on November 20.
The decision to take a strike vote is not lightly.

I really hope you all don't back down on this.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

I sure hope the "leadership" (CC) gets us to CHAOS otherwise there will be a TON of bricks falling on her (CC) head.

The SH**STORM that would result from being recessed will not have been seen before.

CC is taking responsibility!

It's all or nothing.

MM! MoronsMutating! MM! MM! MM! MM! MM! MM! MM! MM! MM! MM! MM! MM! MM!

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

The "Leadership"(CC) better make sure that I am reimbursed for the the thousands that I have lost in my household:

$7000.00 SO FAR!

But when you don't care about rectifying a DOUBLE BK contract then you will will be blamed for for the result. (CC)

Recall CC! She has sabotaged every T/A.

CC needs to be held responsible.

Can you get me $7000.00 so far?

I better get one hell of a signing bonus! (CC)

You're in charge. Show me what you've got!

You have a symbolic vote just like "pITTbULL" 2005

You are such a loser. Deflect the conflict by putting out a "strike" vote which is subject to the mediators decision.

Are you MM!?

You, CC can't do anything, except sabotage any TA that comes to a vote !

CC must go.

You better fix it.

This is your JNC and it is your MECP so this is your T/A.

Own it CC.

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[FWAAA]

When the first TA was rejected, the MEC outsted Flores, who had supported the failed TA. Ted Reed wrote about that and the ousting of the APA's president who had supported the failed LBFO at AA.

The MEC supported the second TA which was also rejected. Will the MEC be resigning or will the membership oust them as well?