Despite your nonstop BS, the FAs were in line to get raises of 13% to 25% upon signing. The East FAs were in line to get a 13% annual raise upon signing and the West FAs (due to their extremely low bankruptcy-era wages that have gone on for about 20 years now) were in line to get an approximate 25% raise upon signing. The total costs to US would have been about $40 million per year.
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Despite your nonstop BS, the FAs were in line to get raises of 13% to 25% upon signing. The East FAs were in line to get a 13% annual raise upon signing and the West FAs (due to their extremely low bankruptcy-era wages that have gone on for about 20 years now) were in line to get an approximate 25% raise upon signing. The total costs to US would have been about $40 million per year.
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I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. the f/a group was not in line to get 13%-25% a year. That's just false. Your saying that if a f/a was to get 13% the first year, or 25% (AW) the first year of the contract, if the hourly rate was $40/hr then the f/a/ group would get over a $4 increase per year x 5 years would translate to over $20 more an hour by the end of 5 years. You are saying that the T/A offered at the end of th 5th year a wage of $60.00 an hour. Are you kidding me??? You are not interpreting this correctly.
In our hayday of old a wage increase of 9% for a 3 year in contract language meant f/as could expect 3% a year; total 9% in wage at the end of the 3 year.
Do you work for any airline???? You don't understand contract language.
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So what is going to happen now that the Nic nightmare is over? With the loss of the west pilots, does that make it easier for a merge with AA and a subsequent sale of PHX.
If the west F/As do not have merger protection, and the west pilots have just lost in court, it would seem the company could make a clean break and do away with PHX in order to have less employee overhead.
Just what is the importance of PHX now? Is a PHX hub really a must in a merger with AA? Someone had to ask.
If the west F/As do not have merger protection, and the west pilots have just lost in court, it would seem the company could make a clean break and do away with PHX in order to have less employee overhead.
Just what is the importance of PHX now? Is a PHX hub really a must in a merger with AA? Someone had to ask.
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I think you're quite mistaken. Nothing has changed since the 9th said a contract must be ratified before a DFR will be heard. But I would not be surprised if a judge stepped in immediately and issued an injunction stopping it's implementation.
So, sorry, the rumors of the Nic's death have been greatly exaggerated.
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You should be doing your damndest to BLOCK any kind of merger with AA as U Labor. This consolidation effort is bound to hurt the U employees.
Now in your nonstop misinformation campaign, you're making up and tearing down strawmen. I have not posted nor have I implied that the FAs would get multiple raises of 13.5% (East) or 25% (West). Those are the payraises they would have received on DOS (the AFA site says that would have been Oct 1 had the TA been ratified). The failed TA would have also provided small additional raises at DOS+18mo, DOS+36mo and DOS+54 mo.
Yes, that was back in your heyday and you never saw raises as large as those provided in the failed TA. Now, however, in the failed TA, the AFA had negotiated the larges raises over the past 30 years. Here are the AFA's own words:
http://ourafa.org/q-a/
That's one big-ass raise compared to the percentage increases received by flight attendants in negotiations over the past 30 years. It may not be large enough (I have expressed no opinion about whether the FAs should have ratified it or not), but it's substantially larger than you've implied repeatedly in this thread. The DOS raise would have increased the company's costs by approximately $40 million per year for each year of the contract, despite your nonsensical postings to the contrary. US spends approximately $325 million on wages and benefits each year for its flight attendants. The failed TA would have increased those costs by about $40 million to about $365 million each year.
Right back at you.
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I wish there was a "Like" button lol She is really sad but has nothing else to do so I guess we should give her a break.. She has no interest in having this company being profitable or its unions making good wages. She still believes that just because a company makes more money one year than the last that each should have a pay raise........ Times have changed your tactics no longer work.... They went out quite some time ago!
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While I am not going to enter the muck of this debate I will state one reality if you consider the demise of TA1 and TA2.
T.X would NEVER have brought us the mess that was these two agreements.
US f/as disliked the entire make up of TA1. Not just the money. They didn't like it any better in the reshuffled version of TA2. That's why they were voted down.
If this was just about money, the tentative would have passed, however, TA1 and TA2 represented too much loss, and too little gain for the loss. Disagree as you will, but the majority spoke.
If our contract remained the same, except with 100% sick and the raise, it would have passed.
Funny enough, PBS CAN be put in place any time, it's just that historically, there was no agreement on the vendor. Somewhere, someone dropped the ball here if the real goal was to get PBS.
IMHO, and it is just that, the tentative being voted down is a wholesale rejection of the philosophy and vision of the former JNC. They lost touch with what the FA group wanted, they got arrogant and not a little bit of Stockholm syndrome.
Unfortunately, we're left with a fine mess.
T.X would NEVER have brought us the mess that was these two agreements.
US f/as disliked the entire make up of TA1. Not just the money. They didn't like it any better in the reshuffled version of TA2. That's why they were voted down.
If this was just about money, the tentative would have passed, however, TA1 and TA2 represented too much loss, and too little gain for the loss. Disagree as you will, but the majority spoke.
If our contract remained the same, except with 100% sick and the raise, it would have passed.
Funny enough, PBS CAN be put in place any time, it's just that historically, there was no agreement on the vendor. Somewhere, someone dropped the ball here if the real goal was to get PBS.
IMHO, and it is just that, the tentative being voted down is a wholesale rejection of the philosophy and vision of the former JNC. They lost touch with what the FA group wanted, they got arrogant and not a little bit of Stockholm syndrome.
Unfortunately, we're left with a fine mess.
Great question, good article today about AA really "SCRUTINIZING" usairways synergy claims, PHX shows at least negative 10% rev in the most spreadsheets , add that with the useless litigation it brings to the table would you merge with it, or would to trim the fat and then buy the steak? MUTATIS!
My girlfriend who voted "NO" says great post!
If you work for free and spread your paycheck among your co-workers, you might get it goin!
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True!
People that have only worked in ground-based jobs will never understand it's not just about pay raises. Well, maybe except for blabber-mouthed east Airbus captains. 😛
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No way.
Times have changed. Where in all of soupbones opins have we read any ground breaking strategy to be used against the company? WHERE?? You mean that nonsense that nobody else on the planet could think of? Chaos?! Fire the mediator! Really. This is her "A" game?
The dynamics of the entire negotiating dynamics changed. There was a great deal of initial animosity between E&W FA's, remember that? To say that she would never let this happen is living in the past and is based upon her past performance within a certain insular arena. Again, that arena and all its dynamics changed dramatically. She has proferred this idea and that idea, but these things were tried YEARS ago. The cows are out of the barn already, now is not the time to yell "shut the doors".
Also, please do not discredit the nonairline posters in such a broad dismissive stroke. I'm glad they are on here. I don't always agree with them, but I ask: How many times have you heard from passengers "you guys work really hard", "I don't know how you do it", "I hope you have a short work day today". There are indeed portions of the public that are complete stooges, but most on here fly as much as we do and are therefore in the same boat, literally. Honestly, I believe that some of our frequent fliers fly worse schedules than I do. In fact, I know they do.
Times have changed. Where in all of soupbones opins have we read any ground breaking strategy to be used against the company? WHERE?? You mean that nonsense that nobody else on the planet could think of? Chaos?! Fire the mediator! Really. This is her "A" game?
The dynamics of the entire negotiating dynamics changed. There was a great deal of initial animosity between E&W FA's, remember that? To say that she would never let this happen is living in the past and is based upon her past performance within a certain insular arena. Again, that arena and all its dynamics changed dramatically. She has proferred this idea and that idea, but these things were tried YEARS ago. The cows are out of the barn already, now is not the time to yell "shut the doors".
Also, please do not discredit the nonairline posters in such a broad dismissive stroke. I'm glad they are on here. I don't always agree with them, but I ask: How many times have you heard from passengers "you guys work really hard", "I don't know how you do it", "I hope you have a short work day today". There are indeed portions of the public that are complete stooges, but most on here fly as much as we do and are therefore in the same boat, literally. Honestly, I believe that some of our frequent fliers fly worse schedules than I do. In fact, I know they do.
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I bumped into this today:
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After the Vote
Flight Attendants of Council 66,
It is very concerning to witness how much both TA1 and TA2 has taken its toll on our workforce. We cannot and will not defend the use of profanity, threats or the perception of disrespect for those who participated in the democratic process. We must respect the 51% who voted "no" while not forgetting that 49% of our Flight Attendants voted differently.
This respect is especially important for those who hold representational roles within Council 66. All inappropriate social media postings that have crossed the line of professionalism by representatives of Council 66 have been firmly addressed with the appropriate action and will not be tolerated. Council 66 also strongly advises that the continued mass production of copies of the social media posts in question that are being placed in company mailboxes as well as other areas of the Company property come to an immediate stop.
In the end, we all have to take responsibility for exercising what we believe to be our rights granted under the "First Amendment". Exercising our civil liberties also requires us to exercise a reasonable level of responsibility. In the age of wireless communication, we are now charged with exercising a level of restraint as nothing we post in the heat of the moment, lasts for the moment. We must be prepared to accept the moral responsibilities of respecting everyone’s voting rights and encouraging everyone’s ability to participate in the process.
In Solidarity,
Deborah Volpe, Brian Clark, Leslie Lara, and Nicole Sartain
Your AFA Council 66 MEC
http://afl.salsalabs...last_KEY=109573
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I wonder what happened.....
It must be just a lovely atmosphere over at US Airways right now....
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After the Vote
Flight Attendants of Council 66,
It is very concerning to witness how much both TA1 and TA2 has taken its toll on our workforce. We cannot and will not defend the use of profanity, threats or the perception of disrespect for those who participated in the democratic process. We must respect the 51% who voted "no" while not forgetting that 49% of our Flight Attendants voted differently.
This respect is especially important for those who hold representational roles within Council 66. All inappropriate social media postings that have crossed the line of professionalism by representatives of Council 66 have been firmly addressed with the appropriate action and will not be tolerated. Council 66 also strongly advises that the continued mass production of copies of the social media posts in question that are being placed in company mailboxes as well as other areas of the Company property come to an immediate stop.
In the end, we all have to take responsibility for exercising what we believe to be our rights granted under the "First Amendment". Exercising our civil liberties also requires us to exercise a reasonable level of responsibility. In the age of wireless communication, we are now charged with exercising a level of restraint as nothing we post in the heat of the moment, lasts for the moment. We must be prepared to accept the moral responsibilities of respecting everyone’s voting rights and encouraging everyone’s ability to participate in the process.
In Solidarity,
Deborah Volpe, Brian Clark, Leslie Lara, and Nicole Sartain
Your AFA Council 66 MEC
http://afl.salsalabs...last_KEY=109573
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I wonder what happened.....
It must be just a lovely atmosphere over at US Airways right now....
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