Farming Out The Line

[Ken MacTiernan]

Okay, that was funny and true.

Just want to point out that I heard that the ex-Pres of 514 said during one of his rants to the membership that Bob is frequent player of some game called airline mogul. That qualifies him to take on the company, NMB, Wall Street, and the media.

Bob is an airline and labor expert.

Bob is more qualified to represent our craft & class at AA than you care to admit. Keep taking your pot shots while behind your alias.

 

[Duke787]

Does anyone know the dollar figure to AA for a 757 C check done by Timco, as to what a 757 C check completed by AA mechs, including employee pension obligations, health insurance, hanger space, all those types of costs AA has to pay for.

 

[strikeforce]

Okay, that was funny and true.

Just want to point out that I heard that the ex-Pres of 514 said during one of his rants to the membership that Bob is frequent player of some game called airline mogul. That qualifies him to take on the company, NMB, Wall Street, and the media.

Bob is an airline and labor expert.

It's true, but the INTL likes it that way....they don't want outside firms to know how screwed up the union really is!

I remember during the 2001 negotiations when at the time I was an executive board member in ORD, and the board decided to send myself along with the treasuer to observe negotiations in Nashville. We thought we were enemy by the reception WE recieved from our own union brothers, even to the point where our own local president gave us the bird when he seen us in the lobby! That's a true story!

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Does anyone know the dollar figure to AA for a 757 C check done by Timco, as to what a 757 C check completed by AA mechs, including employee pension obligations, health insurance, hanger space, all those types of costs AA has to pay for.


Dont forget to factor in the lost revenue since it can take Timco up to 13 days longer to complete the check. Sounds like a lot of lost revenue NY-MIA-NY

"Tulsa in 22 to 30 days.

TIMCO is scheduled to do the 757 heavy maintenance in 35 days"

 

[strikeforce]

The AMT's have two choices regarding TUL's influence over negotiations with the roll call vote......get rid of the TWU or Line AMT's solicit the INTL for seperate contracts. In the late 90's the amt's broke rank with Fleet because Fleet didn't represent the AMT's and they also influenced our negotiations by using the roll call vote. If the AMP vote fails....the Line AMT's need to get away from TUL. That's the only way!

 

[Observer]

The AMT's have two choices regarding TUL's influence over negotiations with the roll call vote......get rid of the TWU or Line AMT's solicit the INTL for seperate contracts. In the late 90's the amt's broke rank with Fleet because Fleet didn't represent the AMT's and they also influenced our negotiations by using the roll call vote. If the AMP vote fails....the Line AMT's need to get away from TUL. That's the only way!

Using the roll call vote, Tulsa the biggest local with the most votes voted against their own best interests. The history of the locals were that for many years, ORD, LAX, SFO, DAL (DFW) were usually led by the maintenance people, no that is hard to believe, but folks with names of Nelson, Rossi, Finn, Leonard were maint people that led the union locals. It wasn't till the expansion that mtc became the minority. By the way when the books were first split was 1989, started by some amts in ORD.

 

[strikeforce]

Using the roll call vote, Tulsa the biggest local with the most votes voted against their own best interests. The history of the locals were that for many years, ORD, LAX, SFO, DAL (DFW) were usually led by the maintenance people, no that is hard to believe, but folks with names of Nelson, Rossi, Finn, Leonard were maint people that led the union locals. It wasn't till the expansion that mtc became the minority. By the way when the books were first split was 1989, started by some amts in ORD.

Tulsa just used the roll call vote against release, and their members voted against the T/A, so what that tells me is that the majority of the 514 membership wants to be released, right! Interesting you mentioned maint. prseidents and roll call vote because their was a motion made over 10 yrs ago to abolish the roll call vote and TUL used the roll call vote to squash the motion. In the end, TUL, just like fleet, uses the roll call vote to get what they want and that's totally unfair to the other 16 local presidents and their memberships. By not giving the Line more flexibility....you're forcing our hand and WE will do whatever is necessary to get away from TUL, Fleet, Bus Drivers or any other group that holds US back!

 

[Buck]

Okay, that was funny and true.

Just want to point out that I heard that the ex-Pres of 514 said during one of his rants to the membership that Bob is frequent player of some game called airline mogul. That qualifies him to take on the company, NMB, Wall Street, and the media.

Bob is an airline and labor expert.

And you suggesting that the ex-Pres of 514 would be any different?

 

[Buck]

Does anyone know the dollar figure to AA for a 757 C check done by Timco, as to what a 757 C check completed by AA mechs, including employee pension obligations, health insurance, hanger space, all those types of costs AA has to pay for.

The working together and sharing brought about our ability to see the company books. Check with your local.

 

[Buck]

The AMT's have two choices regarding TUL's influence over negotiations with the roll call vote......get rid of the TWU or Line AMT's solicit the INTL for seperate contracts. In the late 90's the amt's broke rank with Fleet because Fleet didn't represent the AMT's and they also influenced our negotiations by using the roll call vote. If the AMP vote fails....the Line AMT's need to get away from TUL. That's the only way!

If the Line Maintenance really feels that they can achieve their goals, then they should take the appropriate action. Solicit the International (good luck) or start their own line maintenance company and bid with AA for the work

 

[Frank Szabo]

It's a shame that, again, the line guys want to be their own entity.

OK - do so - make your numbers smaller. As a smaller part of the workforce, the company should be able to get you guys over a barrel worse than ever before.

I do hope you wake up.

 

[Overspeed]

And you suggesting that the ex-Pres of 514 would be any different?

Than Bob? Yes I would say he is more grounded in reality.

 

[Buck]

Than Bob? Yes I would say he is more grounded in reality.

Which ex-pres of 514?

 

[strikeforce]

It's a shame that, again, the line guys want to be their own entity.

OK - do so - make your numbers smaller. As a smaller part of the workforce, the company should be able to get you guys over a barrel worse than ever before.

I do hope you wake up.

It's definitely not our preference to go it alone, but like I said before, the line guys see what our peers are making at other airlines and WE want the same, and WE certainly don't want or expect other locals or work groups to decide our pay. By using the roll call vote, TUL carries lots of power over other maintenance locals, and all WE want is equal say in the matter. Is that too much to ask for??????

 

[Frank Szabo]

It's definitely not our preference to go it alone, but like I said before, the line guys see what our peers are making at other airlines and WE want the same, and WE certainly don't want or expect other locals or work groups to decide our pay. By using the roll call vote, TUL carries lots of power over other maintenance locals, and all WE want is equal say in the matter. Is that too much to ask for??????

I understand your feelings but that's not what I asked. I'll try it a different way.

By removing line from all association with overhaul as you seem to want to do making line a relatively smal group, how long do you believe it will be until your group isn't large enough for your so-called "representation" to deal with seriously? How much easier will it be for the company to run roughshod over the line people knowing full well their smaller numbers could be easily replaced much faster than overhaul personnel?

As nice as it sounds on the surface, you're setting yourself up for quite a fall, I believe.