Fleet Integration Hp & Us

[AA191]

Now that we know the new look. What are the interiors going to be like? With 16 F seats on a US 320 and 12 on an HP 320 and the 757's with different arrangements, how is that going to work. Will will see all new interiors? Will we see Satellite TV and/or Wi-Fi on-board.

What happens if 16 people are confirmed in F on a current US A320 and an HP A320 shows up with only 12 seats?

I would appreciate your comments and thoughts.

Many Thanks,
Global Express

 

[PHX-F/A]

Now that we know the new look. What are the interiors going to be like? With 16 F seats on a US 320 and 12 on an HP 320 and the 757's with different arrangements, how is that going to work. Will will see all new interiors? Will we see Satellite TV and/or Wi-Fi on-board.

What happens if 16 people are confirmed in F on a current US A320 and an HP A320 shows up with only 12 seats?

I would appreciate your comments and thoughts.

Many Thanks,
Global Express

[post="292843"][/post]​

Go to www.seatguru.com to see the differences in the fleets.

 

[AA191]

I did go to seat guru and I saw they are not consistent. How will they become consistent? Or is going to be long and slow like the TW/AA MD-80s and 757's?

 

[rjh]

Now that we know the new look. What are the interiors going to be like? With 16 F seats on a US 320 and 12 on an HP 320 and the 757's with different arrangements, how is that going to work. Will will see all new interiors? Will we see Satellite TV and/or Wi-Fi on-board.

What happens if 16 people are confirmed in F on a current US A320 and an HP A320 shows up with only 12 seats?

I would appreciate your comments and thoughts.

Many Thanks,
Global Express

[post="292843"][/post]​

Re configuring the interiors will probably be done slowly. Since we will be on 2 certificates for at least a couple of years, we can't swap aircraft between routes anyway.

 

[tadjr]

Getting the fleets the same is a big problem. Just from the US experience of converting from 24-8 on the 757, when we did the MD80/733/734 fleet from 8-12 it was a pain. Inventory waited until just over half the plane was converted before authorizing the higher number of seats to sell when increasing the FC cabin, but (you know it) it didnt always work out that the plane scheduled for 12 seats showed up and we often had denied boardings. I guess as long as they didnt have to work it, it wasnt a problem to deal with the customers (normal DBC procedures apply. Thanks for THAT info!)
I would hope that whichever way they change them, they would go with the LOWER amount out there to authorize the FC seats to sell and if you end up with one that has more seats, you get a bonus to work with.
Management keeps telling us how we have to treat the customer right and give good service, yet they continue to give us complications to deal with and ways to p-o people that CAN BE AVOIDED if they would just follow their own advice they dish out to the front line.

/rant.... sorry. after all those conversions and downgrades it isnt something to look forward to.

 

[hp_fa]

I would hope that whichever way they change them, they would go with the LOWER amount out there to authorize the FC seats to sell and if you end up with one that has more seats, you get a bonus to work with.
Management keeps telling us how we have to treat the customer right and give good service, yet they continue to give us complications to deal with and ways to p-o people that CAN BE AVOIDED if they would just follow their own advice they dish out to the front line.

/rant.... sorry. after all those conversions and downgrades it isnt something to look forward to.

[post="292855"][/post]​

I agree, especially since we at HP sell upgrades at the gate. You can always fill F/C between paying pax, upgrades (paid and comp) and employees.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

I wouldn't expect fleet standardization anytime soon. Although fleet standardization would save money in the long run if done properly, it's the cost upfront. Remember that being an LCC means being careful in spending money and a fairly quick return on investment is important. It's hard to fit Fleet Standardization in that mold especially when you consider how long it takes to see a return. I can assure you we have experienced people analyzing fleet standardization. If and when it makes sense the process will begin. As far as connecting flights between 320s with different FC seat configurations...well what the heck....when the flight is booked ya just tell em that FC is sold out on which ever leg is sold out. Did I miss something??

 

[tadjr]

As far as connecting flights between 320s with different FC seat configurations...well what the heck....when the flight is booked ya just tell em that FC is sold out on which ever leg is sold out. Did I miss something??

[post="293014"][/post]​

It wasnt about conx between different seating, it was about WORKING them at the airport when they are one throughout the system. You have a plane booked to 16 in FC and all of a sudden a 12 seater shows up. Who you gonna bump to coach? That is where the problem lies. Now, if they want to not change planes and have ALL OF THEM authorized to 12 and a 16 seater shows up, HALLELUJAH!!!! Otherwise, it sucks to work it and to be booked on one that suddenly has 4 less seats than what you were expecting.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

It wasnt about conx between different seating, it was about WORKING them at the airport when they are one throughout the system. You have a plane booked to 16 in FC and all of a sudden a 12 seater shows up. Who you gonna bump to coach? That is where the problem lies. Now, if they want to not change planes and have ALL OF THEM authorized to 12 and a 16 seater shows up, HALLELUJAH!!!! Otherwise, it sucks to work it and to be booked on one that suddenly has 4 less seats than what you were expecting.

[post="293032"][/post]​

Okay...I knew I didn't understand. From your perspective I now understand. Thanks for that explanation. Noone likes to give bad news, and especially if you don't know ahead of time what to expect.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Since Hp is so set on getting on the plane according to check-in time, just tell the first class passengers first first class come, first first class served. Once the 12 or 16 first class seats are filled, move'em to the back jack! Those that are moved to the back should get a free upgrade on their next flight. Is that a fair way to handel the situation until all planes are configured the same?

 

[rjh]

Since Hp is so set on getting on the plane according to check-in time, just tell the first class passengers first first class come, first first class served. Once the 12 or 16 first class seats are filled, move'em to the back jack! Those that are moved to the back should get a free upgrade on their next flight. Is that a fair way to handel the situation until all planes are configured the same?

[post="293299"][/post]​

The planes will probably be configured the same once we operate on 1 certificate. Until then, it doesn't matter, because we wont' be able to just randomly swap each other's planes. If one airline makes a long cancellation, the other may be able to run an extra section (between cities currently approved in their OpSpecs), but that would be during irregular ops only.

And even if the planes do have different configurations after the certificates are integrated, the SOC Personnel look at ALL options and make the best decisions they can with the avilalbe resources. Yes, sometimes it inconveniences pax, but they have to look at the impact to the entire system.

 

[ClearedToPush]

The planes will probably be configured the same once we operate on 1 certificate. Until then, it doesn't matter, because we wont' be able to just randomly swap each other's planes. If one airline makes a long cancellation, the other may be able to run an extra section (between cities currently approved in their OpSpecs), but that would be during irregular ops only.

And even if the planes do have different configurations after the certificates are integrated, the SOC Personnel look at ALL options and make the best decisions they can with the avilalbe resources. Yes, sometimes it inconveniences pax, but they have to look at the impact to the entire system.

[post="293323"][/post]​

A voice of reason in a sea of confusion 😛

 

[JAXPax]

It wasnt about conx between different seating, it was about WORKING them at the airport when they are one throughout the system. You have a plane booked to 16 in FC and all of a sudden a 12 seater shows up. Who you gonna bump to coach? That is where the problem lies. Now, if they want to not change planes and have ALL OF THEM authorized to 12 and a 16 seater shows up, HALLELUJAH!!!! Otherwise, it sucks to work it and to be booked on one that suddenly has 4 less seats than what you were expecting.

[post="293032"][/post]​

US is experienced in this kind of chaos.
I've had a couple of B767 flights I was sked on get swapped to an A320 on departure day.... as well as many an A321 swapped to an A319.

 

[Travelpro72]

I can clearly remember working the MD80 during the transition from phase -1 to phase-2. Helping relocate passengers up front where the condo was and relocating passengers in the back where there were no A&C seats was nuts. On top of that you had some a/c that were in between reconfiguration as well. We always joked and called it the phase2 1/2. It shall prove to be just as crazy when they combine fleets at some point down the road. We weathered it before and shall again.