Flight Crews Need SIDA

[Prince of PAWOBs]

the problem is asside from the tsa inconsistencies is that each individual controlling authority at each airport (city, county, port authority, whoever) makes up whatever rules they want to
case in point,
pit, crews are not allowed to go from one plane to the next (a/c swap) across the ramp they all had to drag their stuff up the jetway down to the gate, to be checked yet again by a gate agent, to go down to their next plane
syr wasn't allowing crewmembers thru if they weren't in uniform or had a boarding pass (despite two companies having crew bases there past security)
forcing us to deal with dozens of different "mini himmlers and goebbels" and their differing ideas of what 'security' is

Crews in PIT can move to adjacent aircraft if swapping. Any more than one parking space over and you need to either go upstairs or get a ramper to escort you to the gate. I know it's frustrating to crews, but I would rather see them fly out without any incidents involving overly-zealous TSA agents (i.e. fine, suspension, embarassment).

 

[av8or]

Crews in PIT can move to adjacent aircraft if swapping. Any more than one parking space over and you need to either go upstairs or get a ramper to escort you to the gate. I know it's frustrating to crews, but I would rather see them fly out without any incidents involving overly-zealous TSA agents (i.e. fine, suspension, embarassment).

i beg to differ, on many occasions of trying to do just that i've had rampies chase me down screaming that 'you cant do that' and that we were restricted to the "footprint/shadow" of our aircraft, and the jetway, even one gate over
unless the psa agents have some specific agenda against pdt crews and are only enforcing this 'rule' on the south side of the A concourse but not on the north side where the precious jets are i don't know of any ability to do that..
actually that wouldn't surprise me, knowing that psa mgmt in pit is on a tear to try to blame us (pdt crews) for most every delay, it got so bad that our VP had to go and spy on the operations for a few days to confirm that almost all of the delays the station attributed to us were actually the ground stations fault. shortly after this psa instituted a new policy of giving swapping crews the third degree about where they came from and when (which we are under absolutely no obligation to give to them, and i don't)

 

[LD3]

Do you all remember we never had to go through security, thank a US Air employee getting on a PSA flight and shooting the pilots.

Your showing your age....lol, when i started in this industry in 78, all you need was to have our ID hanging from your shirt or jacket and breeze through the check point..

 

[700UW]

At LGA we use to bypass security when I first started.

 

[Harry Callahan]

At LGA we use to bypass security when I first started.

Same in CLT & MIA

 

[PHL BULL]

Same in CLT & MIA

back in the day we could park in GSO and walk up the jetway to our flight...in this day we need UAS or at least SIDA in our base airport...If you are based in PHL we need to turn up the heat on PHL Inflight to make this happen...call the base mgr in PHL to request a "blue" SIDA badge just like the PHL pilot group has... her # is 610-362-7911 you have to watch a film and do some paperwork and deal with the city...only cost to inflight is 35.00 per year...the last mgr did not want the F/A's to have this badge it came out of his budjet...ask the new mgr if she will help F/A's getting to work less stressfull...

 

[Prince of PAWOBs]

i beg to differ, on many occasions of trying to do just that i've had rampies chase me down screaming that 'you cant do that' and that we were restricted to the "footprint/shadow" of our aircraft, and the jetway, even one gate over
unless the psa agents have some specific agenda against pdt crews and are only enforcing this 'rule' on the south side of the A concourse but not on the north side where the precious jets are i don't know of any ability to do that..
actually that wouldn't surprise me, knowing that psa mgmt in pit is on a tear to try to blame us (pdt crews) for most every delay, it got so bad that our VP had to go and spy on the operations for a few days to confirm that almost all of the delays the station attributed to us were actually the ground stations fault. shortly after this psa instituted a new policy of giving swapping crews the third degree about where they came from and when (which we are under absolutely no obligation to give to them, and i don't)

Jets are on both the even and odd (South and North) sides of the concourse.

I don't know of any organized effort to blame Piedmont crews for delays in PIT.

If inside management is giving you the third degree about something they aren't entitled to know, don't tell them.

 

[PHL BULL]

All Flight crews need SIDA acess...If you are in uniform and on duty you should be able to go to work and by-pass TSA. In CLT if you are on duty and in uniform you can swipe your USAirways ID put in your pin and go to work...The TSA in PHL is making all crewmembers take off shoe's etc. WE ARE JUST GOING TO WORK!!! If a ground worker can use SIDA acess to go to work we should too...we are finger printed and cleard or we would not have company ID...This dog and pony show is BULL!!! the city needs to give us the same access...we should not piggy back and follow the rules but to have to show up extra early to stand in line is CRAP!!! call your union call the city of PHL and demand that flight crews have the same SIDA access as other usairways employees that are just trying to get to work...this really frost my A@#$$ am I alone in my thoughts?

HEY AFA 70 what's your spin on this can you help us out on this one...WE NEED ACCESS NOW...

 

[Sthrnboy]

HEY AFA 70 what's your spin on this can you help us out on this one...WE NEED ACCESS NOW...

When I was in training on US Airways (WEST) side. There is a lady in charge of TSA/FAA Regulations. Someone asked her about a FEDERAL ID... She said it had been talked about but it was much safer and "US AIRWAYS" felt that all crewmember needed to go through SECURITY.... LAS was talked about because CREW's such as CAL bypass security in TPA/LAS. However you had to pay for this SERVICE.... PAY??? TALK ABOUT SECURITY.....
Anyhow they felt that US Airways crews did not need access to the RAMP... ONLY PILOTS..... NOT FA's... So and if the Pilots did not need SIDA badges... then there ID worked for the area around the A/C that they were working...

JUST THE COMPANYS BEEF..... I know she works in security or something...

She was opposed of anyone having a ID/or back door to get to your job....

 

[700UW]

The ramp is a dangerous place, we use to have crews walk across the ramp in CLT and a few times they were hit by ground eqiupment, even the van service had a few fender benders.

The ramp is congested enough, we dont need flight crews all over the place.

 

[Lovethesun]

Bypass security altogether? So you're saying that all people should need is to get their hands on an id and uniform, and then they get carte blanche past security? Be careful what you wish for.

As a crew member we are fingerprinted and receive a background crew. This check is also done ever few years. So I agree that as a crew member we should not have to go through this every day. The ground personnel do not have to go through security they get to by pass the system which as a crew member we have complained about forever. It is much easier to pull that off than to pull off what you suggest. So step back.

 

[wnbubbleboy]

As a crew member we are fingerprinted and receive a background crew. This check is also done ever few years. So I agree that as a crew member we should not have to go through this every day. The ground personnel do not have to go through security they get to by pass the system which as a crew member we have complained about forever. It is much easier to pull that off than to pull off what you suggest. So step back.

I've been reading this and it's sounds like the same kind of conversation we would have over here as well.

The way it has been explained to me is if you fly you must go through the security check point. The people downstairs aren't flying that day so there is no need to go through security check point upstairs. IF infact they are going to fly after work they need to exit and come back through security to be properly screened.

Also I would like to state being on the SIDA I have been stopped several times by just about every kind of enforcement agent there is.

So we here on the ramp are have constant eyes of just about everybody on us. No work group has it easier than the other.

 

[ClueByFour]

and exactly how, praytell, do you know what manner of background check flight crews are subject too?
i recall that after 9/11 we had to provide even more data along with fingerprinting for the gov't to conduct a more intensive check

Largely because I know folks who perform them.

The crew background check is nothing. Call me when they call your mother, father, friends, family, neighbors, teachers, and the kid who babysat you decades ago.

and you flying isn't your office, its a conveyance, a luxury, not a requirement

Wrong. It's required for my job. I'm unaware of commercial transit over oceans that does not involve airplanes. I'm unaware of how to get from the west coast to the east coast in under 12 hours without the use of an aircraft.

so why don't you try to get on the 'trusted flyer' program if you want to cut the line at all

That does not permit one to cut the line.

one of the few benefits left in this job is cutting the line so we can get to work

Which either a greater security threat than people who have been screened to a more severe degree, particularly as it pertains to their background.

stop trying to play yourself up as being important because of your claimed security clearance

Stop whining about trying to do something that nobody promised you when you took the job and I'll stop whining about being less of a threat, kay?

 

[Snickerdoodles]

I've been reading this and it's sounds like the same kind of conversation we would have over here as well.

The way it has been explained to me is if you fly you must go through the security check point. The people downstairs aren't flying that day so there is no need to go through security check point upstairs. IF infact they are going to fly after work they need to exit and come back through security to be properly screened.

Also I would like to state being on the SIDA I have been stopped several times by just about every kind of enforcement agent there is.

So we here on the ramp are at the constant eyes of just about everybody. No work group has it easier than the other.

The ground personel are the ones that should be made to go through security! They have easy access to the aircraft!! The ground personel are not the ones putting their lives on the line. If anyone should be more trusted it should be the crews. That is why I feel more safe with the crewmembers staying together for the entire trip. Much safer than the days of constantly changing crews.

 

[SKY HIGH]

Please give me a break...the only thing to fear is fear it's self...that's what the "bad guys" want is for you to get paranoid...then they win...nothing discussed here is about security breach...it's about getting to work without a bunch of gov. BS

sky high states: Uhhh, NO. First of all, you name yourself after a "bull". YOU cant fill those shoes, they belong to PIT BULL. You're a WEAK IMITATION.
And rightfully so. Boardcasting HOW airline employees get through NON/Secure doors....what AIRPORTS flight crews do NOT go through "security" SHOULD NOT, be discussed on a message board.