Flt crew delays or cxls

[FlightChic]

I agree. The company should not be cancelling flights just so pilots can't get to DC. That is absurd. I feel bad for the passengers. Think about all the business travelers who were supposed to be on my flights early this morning. They were probably mostly FFs. Our passengeres are what makes the airline. They shouldn't be punished. Our company has no concept of customer service. I don't think they realize that they are pissing off all of our passengers and losing lots of business. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you must take care of your customers. I don't blame our FFs and other customers for leaving. I wouldn't want to fly US either if I kept having bad experiences. I commute to work and I am sortive used to all the delays and cancellations and plan accordingly. It's not fair to people who are paying for a ticket though and have places they need to be. It really saddens me. You should especially take care of your FFs. I always try to be extra polite and friendly, especially when things are screwed up, which is pretty often.

I remember when I was a teenager I flew overseas on a particular airline and when I got to the airport (3 hours early at 5am I might add) they said they had sold my seat and I would have to wait until that afternoon around 5pm. I was traveling with some other kids from school and they sold several of their seats as well. They were really rude to me and it was basically an act of congress to get just get a day room and a meal voucher. When I got home I told everyone about the airline and have not flown them again to this day. I flew on another airline to go overseas another time when I was a teenager and I was flying alone and my flight was cancelled but they were really nice to me and put me up in a hotel and gave me meal vouchers and put me on the first flight out the next morning. I wasn't sure where to go or what to do and they were very nice and patient. I would definitely fly on that airline again.

Trust me, if someone has a bad experience, you will lose them and other potential customers as well. People don't forget. I wouldn't be surprised if we were back in bankrutpcy anytime soon because of all the disgruntled employees and passengers.

I agree--the customers will get over it. They will go to DL or CO or AA or whatever works for them, and once they experience the service provided elsewhere, they just won't be back.

The customers are not at fault here, and do not deserve to be inconvenienced by a "job action". Also, that the company would even CONSIDER cancelling strategic flights just so pilots couldn't get to the meeting in DC is preposterous, and if true, unconscionable. What kind of message is that giving the customers? "It's okay to inconvenience you because we don't want our pilots attending an ALPA hearing".....I have trouble believing that.

That said, for once the fault does not lie with the company--it lies with ALPA--I sympathize with those who got hosed in this award, but it APPEARS to me that they had a chance to settle this fairly and ALPA refused.

I am not getting into that debate--suffice to say when customers are inconvenienced because of an alleged job action, then I most certainly will speak up--and advise my nearly 800 members to take their business elsewhere until or unless things settle down. I do NOT think this is what anyone wants, but I have to protect my members...when we cannot rely on US to transport us reliably to our destinations, then we cannot in good conscience stay around.....

That's it in a nutshell......

I wish you all well.....

 

[john john]

Arbitrator Nicolau should have factor in the ramification of a employee group that held all the cards and a bad decision against group that can create big problems for the airline. Nicolau's award
Is responsible for this MELT DOWN

 

[Doc]

It's a sick out plain and simple. I had the worst day in a long time xld flts and nothing to put them on.
Give them all hotels and reroute them on OA.

The only sad thing is that it isn't even on the news so who cares just the agent at the airport. He is the only one getting screwed because we don't care any more what a great airline Dougie.........

 

[hula-flyguy]

Cancellations were not done to prevent crew members from getting to DCA. Cancellations were done on originating trips where there was either a c/o or f/o unable to be filled (or both). If there was a conspiracy to block flights into DCA, check with the pilots, they are the ones who sicked the pairings.

 

[Mike]

It's a sick out plain and simple. I had the worst day in a long time xld flts and nothing to put them on.
Give them all hotels and reroute them on OA.

The only sad thing is that it isn't even on the news so who cares just the agent at the airport. He is the only one getting screwed because we don't care any more what a great airline Dougie.........

As a pilot I just looked at ALL BASES and ALL Pilot reserve screens. Every reserve was either flying or on an off day. There were no sick calls amongst the reserves in any base.

 

[Bear96]

I agree--the customers will get over it. They will go to DL or CO or AA or whatever works for them, and once they experience the service provided elsewhere, they just won't be back.

So I take it you never fly LCC anymore?

Arbitrator Nicolau should have factor in the ramification of a employee group that held all the cards and a bad decision against group that can create big problems for the airline. Nicolau's award
Is responsible for this MELT DOWN

So legal decision should always go in favor of the group (or individual) that will cause the most problems if things don't go their way?

 

[Bud8EE]

So I take it you never fly LCC anymore?
So legal decision should always go in favor of the group (or individual) that will cause the most problems if things don't go their way?

You make it sound like there is some effort involved. CXLS, are probably on the rise because, the anniversary, the kids ball game, the school program, now trumps the desire to go to work and be productive. You take away any benefit of having been a loyal employee for years and years, and that loyalty will shift to other priorities. Many would argue family trumps the job every time, anyway.

These are things that bring companies down, and increase the inwards spiral to lack of profitability and lack of job satisfaction. They are symbiotic and an increase in one usually leads to an increase in the other.

East pilots already lost pay and pension and their seniority is what they had left. Take away everything from someone, and they become desperate, and desperation is dangerous. Many would say just quit and don't take the company down with you. Many probably will but they will try to use the job and company up as much as possible until they find haven somewhere else. They will go down swinging, because "burning the house down" doesn't amount to much concern when you are starting from scratch anyway. Can anyone blame them? When does any human not adhere to human nature. Home and family, sure. Company and ALPA, hardly give the nature of both and the return on that loyalty. ALPA just doesn't get it. The lack of policies that promote career stability as the number one item and a union structures whose nature does nothing to protect pilots from themselves or each other but encourages the opposite is so utterly flawed, a 4 year old could see it. It's every man for himself and you are witnessing the fruits of a free market where the union sits on the sideline, collects dues, and few hallowed individuals rub shoulders with congress and opine about taking the profession back or sit in amazed wonderment about how a great profession has become so ordinary.

 

[john john]

So I take it you never fly LCC anymore?
So legal decision should always go in favor of the group (or individual) that will cause the most problems if things don't go their way?

It sure would make my life and many others a lot easier and YES majority should rule with a union process. This is not a court of law

 

[Bear96]

You make it sound like there is some effort involved. CXLS, are probably on the rise because, the anniversary, the kids ball game, the school program, now trumps the desire to go to work and be productive. You take away any benefit of having been a loyal employee for years and years, and that loyalty will shift to other priorities. Many would argue family trumps the job every time, anyway.

These are things that bring companies down, and increase the inwards spiral to lack of profitability and lack of job satisfaction. They are symbiotic and an increase in one usually leads to an increase in the other.

East pilots already lost pay and pension and their seniority is what they had left. Take away everything from someone, and they become desperate, and desperation is dangerous. Many would say just quit and don't take the company down with you. Many probably will but they will try to use the job and company up as much as possible until they find haven somewhere else. They will go down swinging, because "burning the house down" doesn't amount to much concern when you are starting from scratch anyway. Can anyone blame them? When does any human not adhere to human nature. Home and family, sure. Company and ALPA, hardly give the nature of both and the return on that loyalty. ALPA just doesn't get it. The lack of policies that promote career stability as the number one item and a union structures whose nature does nothing to protect pilots from themselves or each other but encourages the opposite is so utterly flawed, a 4 year old could see it. It's every man for himself and you are witnessing the fruits of a free market where the union sits on the sideline, collects dues, and few hallowed individuals rub shoulders with congress and opine about taking the profession back or sit in amazed wonderment about how a great profession has become so ordinary.

???

Sorry, but how did that answer my question?

 

[does this plane go to paris]

....and one time when I was a teenager at band camp

 

[ussnark]

Keep in mind, this time a little over 2.5 years ago, there was almost no US Airways.

<<<<<< Wrong >>>>>>>


Every single management press release and statement either outright stated or implied that bk2 had nothing to do with a financial condition of US and everything to do with the fact that mgt felt they did not "get enough" from labor the first time and that they would do it simply to get whatever they could from the labor groups.

In other words, they were using the bk courts and laws to reduce labor costs, outside of Federal Labor Laws. It was about as blatant admission that I have seen that bk law was now to be used exclusively as a tool to interdict unions and/or labor groups.

US was very strong and showing disturbing signs that a profit was just around the corner (operating profits, etc.) and the window was closing for mgt to further cut labor costs. If you will notice, other airlines jumped on the bandwagon shortly after US mgt showed them how to do it.

If you want to believe a fiction, then please, make it your fiction and try not to attempt to sugarcoat your ignorant actions at that time by trying to change the collective history.

 

[SKY HIGH]

I agree--the customers will get over it. They will go to DL or CO or AA or whatever works for them, and once they experience the service provided elsewhere, they just won't be back.

sky high states: Spoke with some freq. flyers yesterday, in the emerg. exit row. Apparently AA is accepting CP's and their mile status over there.

any truth to that, Art?

only stating opinions

 

[BoeingBoy]

sky high states: Spoke with some freq. flyers yesterday, in the emerg. exit row. Apparently AA is accepting CP's and their mile status over there.

any truth to that, Art?

only stating opinions

I won't speak for Art, but I think most airlines will do some sort of status match - even US. Or at least an abbreviated trial where you get temporary status and if you fly X miles in Y months you get to keep it.

Jim

 

[Jetsetter2Ord]

Okay, so I know this is going to make some angry, BUT, i'm only stating fact and point. First, the pilots need to be upset with ALPA, they are the ones who sent this thing to arbitration and the arbitrator decided the result. No one at US Airways, not Doug, not Scott, NO ONE, made that relative seniority decision. Secondly, we all have sucky contracts. And guess what? The majority of our work groups voted for them so now we are stuck with them. That also had nothing to do with this management or the company. The workgroups voted for it. Keep in mind, this time a little over 2.5 years ago, there was almost no US Airways. Again, I'm only stating a point. I support 100% work actions that force the company to negotiate a new fair contract, but we can't be angry over the existing one we have.

Thank you!

Its time for the pilots to stop pouting and move on with taking care of our passengers. You all went into the arbitration knowing that it could result in the way it was awarded. If you cant handle it, then its time to pack up your flight bag and proceed to the next carrier or hang up your hat for good and go work as a Walmart greeter or such.

Our passengers deserve to get from point A to point B safely. Heck they already paid the company for their travel and now lets have flights be cancelled and disrupt these paying passengers (the ones that are paying your paycheck to provide you what you need to live on.)and disapoint them. We dont need to be scaring away the remaining passengers we have...the OLD US did that with their "US Scare" label back years ago.

Its summer time and we can each step up our productivity even 10% and that in itself will be a big step to turning this airline around and make it a place that we all want to come and work and show that we can improve our service.

 

[Zarah]

I was told by Preferred Gold that the reason the 7:30 and 8:30 PHL-BOS were cancelled was because of crew - although they didn't elaborate.

We were to do the 7:30 flight to BOS on the 20th and we were all checked in and at the gate and they canceled the turn due to lack of crew. We all just looked at each other like, what?