Garfield1966 said:
I have a question. Is there something other than what is typically known as a union? Seems like everyone is dissatisfied with the representation that you have all been receiving. From what I can gather unions are just like any other business. There are there to make money. If they happen to do good by their membership so much the better. It does not seem that anyone has it down pat. I hear complaints about the TWU, ALPA, APFA, IAM …you get the point. It also seems to me that your leadership is no better or more qualified than the leadership at any of the companies that these unions are part of (I do not mean that they are bought by the unions but that they represent you who work for the company). Anyway, since you do not seem to be satisfied with than, and replacing them with another does not seem to be the answer, does anyone have an idea for a way to represent ones self with out the current union structure and the inherent flaws that come with that? Such as greed, corruption … etc. The way I see it, going with the current system does have a good future. I am not sure if the unions can change and yet deal with the same management. I do not se management changing anytime soon. Their power base seems to come from a more powerful source than that of the union. Not sure what I mean by that but it just seems different to me. Perhaps they are more insulated from the rest of us and it is more difficult to place blame that it is with the union leadership.
Someone mentioned something about industry seniority. I assume that means getting one union for everyone. I don’t see how that would work. Doesn’t the company have the right to hire whom ever they choose? They would then have to join the union if that work force is represented but how can a union say “here are 10 applicants we have, you have to hire one of them.†That is how it would work right?
Anyways, just some questions / ideas. Currious
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Garfield(the movie);
I'm going to give you the HUGE "benefit of the doubt", and assume that your NOT being disingenuous, and give you a few things to "consider"
The organized labor movement/theory WILL still work !
I say still, because there are a (few) examples recently that prove it does.
BUT,
in regard to the current airline unions, they are ALL failing miserably.
Despite whats been written about AMFA(AND I SUPPORT THEM), there is not a "
dimes worth of difference" betweem the TWU,IAM,IBT, CWA AND given theie most recent failures, AMFA !!!!!!!!!!
Managements, and Republican presidents DO STILL FEAR unions !!!!!!!!
Sadly the only example I can give you, that occured on DUMBY's watch, that was COMPLETELY successful, was the west coast longshoreman's/dockworkers STRIKE, a few years back.
In that one, the Longshoremans Union, made their FINAL demands, and struck WHEN THEY SAID THEY WOULD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now the "little TURD" in washington was eager to hit the dockworkers with their own personal Injunction, that was created exclusively for them, called the Taft-Hartly act.
Ah, but the union had a "fool proof" strategy. It was fool proof, because Management was told, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that IF ordered back by "TH", that they would "work-to-rule", and zero overtime !!!!
So management "locked them out" !! THAT accomplished NOTHING !!
The shippers assoc./management had 3 choices.
1. Lock them out ??, ships with perishable cargo ROTS while tied up to the pier, OR at anckorage !!
2. Let "the little #### HEAD invoke Taft-Hartly which would FORCE them back to work = A LEGAL slowdown, NO overtime+ Perishable cargo STILL ROTS !!!
3. CAVE in to their demands becomes the "lessor of 3 evils" !!
The ONLY reason this works is "100% UNITY"
No "back stabbing union official" would DARE double-cross the membership.
The reason why ?? I'm told that unless "they" can fly, It's a looooong way down from the main deck of a freighter, into Long Beach Harbor !!!!!
Sadly the airline industry does'nt have UNITY anymore, and may(god forbid) never again.
Hope that answers you question.
NH/BB's
ps,
The Dockworkers union IS AFL-CIO.
