Foreign Maintenance

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Greetings,

We have listened to the TWU/Bus Driver Union advocates time and time again, claim that AMFA outsourced all of their heavy maintenance overseas.

Let's look at some documented TRUTH. Notice the LAST PARAGRAPH of this article.

FAA Inspects Too Few Plane Maintenance Contractors, Federal Agency Says
Source: Saint Paul Pioneer Press (St. Paul, Minn.) Publication Date: 07/11/03

Jul. 11--The Federal Aviation Administration is not adequately monitoring the growing number of outside contractors that repair planes flown by Northwest Airlines and other carriers.

That was the warning Thursday from the U.S. Department of Transportation's Office of the Inspector General.

"The vulnerabilities all relate to a lack of effective FAA oversight that needs to be improved," an inspector general report said.

The FAA inspects as few as 1 percent of the contractors, even though contractors got almost half of the $5.4 billion that airlines spent on maintenance and repairs last year, said the report by Inspector General Kenneth Mead. Mead was concerned by what his investigators found. Mechanics at one major U.S carrier identified 6,000 "discrepancies" on an aircraft that returned from a major maintenance check at a foreign repair station.

The report also says a carrier had 400 inspections of its internal maintenance operations in 2002 but just seven reviews of maintenance done on its planes by outside contractors, according to the report.

Eagan-based Northwest and other major airlines, most of which have been losing billions of dollars a year, are shifting maintenance from in-house mechanics to outside vendors to slash their costs.

They can cut their maintenance costs by as much as 50 percent or more by outsourcing maintenance, especially when the work is done in Mexico or Asia.
The report released Thursday found that 18 of 21 outside repair stations checked by government agents, contract mechanics used incorrect aircraft parts and improperly calibrated tools, and they had outdated manuals.

Workers lacked documentation that they were properly qualified and trained to do repairs and policies and procedures were inadequate, inspectors found. Records of work done overseas are often incomplete or incomprehensible.

At one repair site, scrapped parts were not segregated from usable parts.
"The scrapped parts could have been mistakenly used by a mechanic in a repair," the report warned.

FAA Administrator Marion Blakey said the agency agrees with the findings and the need for improvement. However, she stressed the report does not say passengers are in danger.

"There's no data to support a safety issue," she said.

Northwest says outside contractors do about 26 percent of its aircraft maintenance, based on dollars spent. The Inspector General's report estimated that 44 percent of Northwest's maintenance work was outsourced in 2002, however.

Northwest's contract with its mechanics limits external maintenance to 38 percent.
But the mechanics' union says a recent audit done for the union indicates that Northwest may have exceeded that cap.

The airline once used outside contractors to handle surges in maintenance work, said Paul Volker, legislative officer for the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association.
"Now, they've chosen to try to outsource all the maintenance work," he said. Mechanics unions are backing federal legislation that could block overseas companies from obtaining licenses to fix U.S.-registered planes unless they boost security, and possibly do drug and alcohol tests on workers. In the May issue of Passages, the airline's employee newspaper, Northwest said that outsourcing maintenance is an important strategy in its drive to regain profitability.

The airline has lost $1.6 billion and cut 17,000 employees since the start of 2001. Northwest primarily outsources work on its DC-10s, 747-200s and DC-9s. These older planes have peaks and valleys in heavy maintenance scheduling, Kris Bauer, NWA vice president-aircraft maintenance, told Passages.

"This peak-and-valley problem makes the economics of in-house maintenance unjustified," she said. "In addition, Northwest must compete with airlines that purchase aircraft, parts and maintenance service on world markets at world-market prices. To be cost-competitive in a globally interdependent marketplace we need to outsource some of our maintenance."

While costs for outsourced maintenance are lower than for in-house maintenance, Northwest insists quality and safety are not compromised. It maintains that there are no differences between the maintenance program that Northwest mechanics and outside firms follow when working on its planes.

About half of its outsourced maintenance work is done in Asia, Northwest has indicated.

Its Asian maintenance contractors include ST Aviation Services Co. (SASCO), a subsidiary of Singapore Technologies Aerospace.
SASCO has done airframe heavy maintenance work for at least eight years on Northwest's DC-10 and 747 fleets. In Hong Kong, Hong Kong Aircraft Engineering Co. (HAECO) has performed heavy maintenance on NWA 747s for more than four years.

The Associated Press and Bloomberg contributed to this report.


END ARTICLE

8 YEARS in ASIA and more than 4 YEARS in HONG KONG.

The AMFA/NWA Contract was signed on MAY 11, 2001...
That is only 3 Years, 3 Months ago, it appears the OVERSEAS MAINTENANCE was actually done under the AFL-CIO IAM Contract!

Here is a screen capture of AMFA/NWA Signing Date:
Sign_Date.jpg


Now Go BLOW your Industrial Union LIES somewhere else!
 
So what?? It looks like the AMFA is impotent to stop outsourcing that is already outsourced. What a motto:

We won't allow any more outsourcing, but we're powerless to bring back any work already outsourced!

No lies, no rhetoric.

Even better, just wait until NW goes after its mechanics' wages to bring them in line with the new market realities. Let's see how well AMFA works then.
 
FWAAA said:
So what?? It looks like the AMFA is impotent to stop outsourcing that is already outsourced. What a motto:

We won't allow any more outsourcing, but we're powerless to bring back any work already outsourced!

No lies, no rhetoric.

Even better, just wait until NW goes after its mechanics' wages to bring them in line with the new market realities. Let's see how well AMFA works then.
"new market realities"? It makes me sick that We (TWU) set the new wage and benefits scale SO LOW.

Now it's more dificult for all Mechanics and Related at all other Carriers to hold on to what they have. Sad but very, very true.
REMBER AMFA SET THE STANDARD FOR THE INDUSTY LEADING CONTRACT,
and TWU SET THE STANDARD FOR THE INDUSTRY LOOSING CONTRACT.
 
FWAAA said:
So what?? It looks like the AMFA is impotent to stop outsourcing that is already outsourced. What a motto:

We won't allow any more outsourcing, but we're powerless to bring back any work already outsourced!

No lies, no rhetoric.

Even better, just wait until NW goes after its mechanics' wages to bring them in line with the new market realities. Let's see how well AMFA works then.
AMFA took NWA all the way to a Presidential Emergecny Board which restricted the Mechanic and Related Group from conducting a strike against the carrier.

There was ZERO limit in the IAM Outsource language. In addition to restricting the outsource percentage to 38% which was a 62% improvement, AMFA also set a new standard in the industry wage scale.

The interesting thing is that if AMFA can maintain the pay standard, further outsource restrictions will be the number one issue going into the next negotiations.

Meanwhile, our weak sister TWU members will be focused on re-gaining the lost 17.5%, Holidays, Vacations, Sick, and a host of other massive concessions, and I doubt outsource of work will be of a huge concern then.

If there wasn't so much pressure coming from the concessions for jobs unions, and instead a willingness to fight the battle also, maybe it would be a little easier for us all.

Given there is only one union the industry willing to fight and lead, then I personally think AMFA is doing a fine job. Damn shame they have to fight the Governement, the Corporations, and the standards set by the Industrial Unions.

Northwest is ALREADY coming after the TWU Industry Leading Payscales, that is why they have invoked the "force majeure" layoffs. Each time, NWA mangement tells AMFA they would bring back their members if they would just give them the TWU type contract. Thus far, AMFA HAS SAID, NOT ONLY NO, BUT HELL NO!

What more do you want?
 
Just the Facts

AMFA Skills-The new-fangled t-shirt design boast the Airlines which AMFA represent, The following is documented facts on how they are representing their membership.

Northwest- Amfa won Representation rights at NWA in June of 2000. AMFA negotiated language allowing 38% outsourcing of Labor Hours. Resulting in 50% of NW Mechanics and Related Classifications being Laid off and The Mechanic and Related employees must have a 1990 seniority date to have a job according to the current Seniority List. AMFA at NWA Leads the Industry with the highest Percentage of Mechanics and Related on Layoff and Holds the record of the highest percentage of work being performed overseas.

United- As United asked for concessions from the IAM represented mechanics, AMFA ran an organizing campaign on the property. Mechanics at United were asked to take a 7% pay cut and allowed more Outsourcing. The AMFA Organizers pleaded with mechanics not to accept the offer. As the offer was turned down by the membership, United entered into bankruptcy and started Sec 11 13c proceedings. Because the law is very clear that the union and the company must attempt to negotiate an agreement and absent an agreement the company can ask the judge to do away with the contract in its entirety. The IAM membership voted at the final hour to accept an overall 13% cut in wages, including license premium and allow outsourcing of two United bases losing 6000 members jobs. It was only then that AMFA won representation of the disgruntled IAM membership. It was AMFA, thanks to their intervention that has allowed United to eventually outsource all of the Heavy Maintenance. “6000 plus Members Jobs and countingâ€￾

Alaska- The AMFA won Representation of Alaska in 1999. Since that time Alaska has performed more Maintenance with outside contractors than any other carrier, topping the chart at 70 Percent. AMFA also Introduced Interest based Arbitration to the Alaska contract. During the last Contract discussions AMFA and Alaska went to binding Arbitration which Alaska won Hands down and now the Mechanics have dropped to #7 in Pay. Highest % of Farm-outs in the Industry.


Southwest- The IBT won the highest pay in the Industry for the Southwest Mechanics. AMFA took over Representation of the Members in 2003. During the following months, Cookouts were conducted for funds to hold Arbitrations and AMFA at SWA holds the honor of having the least amount of Participation amongst the members in the Industry.

Atlantic Coast Airlines- ACA Members have endured the last 14 months without a Contract.

Mesaba- AMFA Mesaba members have gone 12 months with no Contract.

Horizon- AMFA Members are currently without a contract going on 8 months.

ATA- AMFA members have been without a contract for over a year.

AMFA Constitution Quote; “During the times of Negotiations commencing at the acceptance of proposals, or after and ending at the date of signing, any Local may choose to Institute an assessment up to 0.5 (50%) the base hourly rate per month of the affected members in Negotiations.â€￾ Several AMFA Locals currently have special assessments!
Stay Informed! Get the Facts! Ask the Questions!

TWU SOLIDARITY! THE Best Choice for the AMT!
 
CIO,

I can’t speak for the other carriers but I will tell you that your ‘opinion’ on what has transpired at UAL is not only ‘misleading’ but purely fictional.

You AFL/CIO lackeys can never tell a story without putting your lies and deceit into it.

First of all, AMFA organizers ‘never’ pleaded with anyone!!!
We were asked to take a 7%+, work rules and benefits cut to ‘try’ to get an ATSB loan. This attempt was voted down by the “IAM Membershipâ€. Being the good representative that they are (IAM), we were all set up to have a 2nd ATSB concessionary vote (guess we didn’t understand the first one) when on the day before the vote, the ATSB denied the loan based on the fact that the UAL recovery plan was ‘unsustainable’.

In “Bankruptcyâ€, all bets are off.

The ‘IAM Membership†vote was not to ‘accept concessions’ but to ‘not’ abrogate union representation. Possibly, if the ‘vote’ included a strike vote, the situation would have been quite different. For without the threat to withhold labor, unions are without legs. If the BK concessionary vote failed, the IAM National would have overruled the vote regardless of the desires of the membership.

We see how you are putting a ‘spin’ now blaming AMFA for this concessionary vote.

How idiotic can you get?
If you are going to attempt at deception, at least do your research.
You are loosing your credibility one post at a time............

Thanks for your assistance,

:D UT
 
CHECKING IT OUT!
As you and others repeatedly point out AMFA/NW HAS 38% OUTSOURCING!
SHOW US THE SPECIFIC STATEMENT, LINE AND PAGE, IN THE TWU/AA CONTRACT THAT PLACES A LIMIT ON AA OUTSOURCING!!! I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LIMIT. NOT HEAR SOMEONE TELL ME THE LIMIT IN OUR CONTRACT.
LINE AND VERSE PLEASE.
 
AMFA Constitution – Page 4 – Line 24
Levy, with membership approval , initiation fees, dues, and assessments upon its members to provide the funds with which to carry on the business and objectives of the Association, including the payment of all expenses, emergency or otherwise, relating thereto, and establish an ample reserve fund for the current and future protection of its members

AMFA Constitution – Page 6 – Line 4
National Assessment – The amount, reason for, proposed duration of, and other details for a National Headquarters Assessment shall be put before the membership in a secret ballot referendum.

AMFA Constitution Page 28 - Line 25
No other fees or assessments shall be levied without approval by secret ballot of the majority of the membership voting. Such monies shall be used only for the purpose as stated on the 25 referendum, and the members through their Locals will be given a detailed accounting of its use.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CIO,
I know this may be unfamiliar, but can you understand this concept?

:rolleyes: UT
 
Well, it seems as if Checking it out has reappeared. I sure missed your blind faith in an inept industrial union. The twu is the best union to help destroy the craft of the AMT. List for me what the twu has done FOR our profession. I have asked you this question on another BB and you never answered me. But then again, being a blind twu official I can understand your hesitation in trying to answer this question. Hurry up though. The twu will be gone by the end of THIS year.
 
Ref:First of all, AMFA organizers ‘never’ pleaded with anyone!!!
We were asked to take a 7%+, work rules and benefits cut to ‘try’ to get an ATSB loan. This attempt was voted down by the “IAM Membershipâ€. Being the good representative that they are (IAM), we were all set up to have a 2nd ATSB concessionary vote (guess we didn’t understand the first one) when on the day before the vote, the ATSB denied the loan based on the fact that the UAL recovery plan was ‘unsustainable’...

And I'm to believe if your floor was AMFA members they would have voted differently...ya'll just need a backbone xplant and faith...
 
Superside said:
CHECKING IT OUT!
As you and others repeatedly point out AMFA/NW HAS 38% OUTSOURCING!
SHOW US THE SPECIFIC STATEMENT, LINE AND PAGE, IN THE TWU/AA CONTRACT THAT PLACES A LIMIT ON AA OUTSOURCING!!! I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LIMIT. NOT HEAR SOMEONE TELL ME THE LIMIT IN OUR CONTRACT.
LINE AND VERSE PLEASE.


Ok. here it is from the TWU/AA Contract:

ARTICLE 1 ? RECOGNITION AND SCOPE
(4)…

It is the intention of the Company to insure that the predominant volume of work under Cross Service, Base Maintenance and Line Maintenance Service Agreements be performed by the Company employees. It is further understood, in no event, that the volume of work be less than equal to the work performed by other carriers for American Airlines under Cross Service, Base Maintenance and Line Maintenance Service Agreements. The ratio of mechanic work performed in terms of manhours will be reflected quarterly, in writing, to the Union.


Less than equal = 49.9% farm out limit/ 51.1% in house :eek:
 
The TWU has been telling us that AA farms out 21% of our work.
Here are the REAL NUMBERS from USA TODAY
Just go to http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/20...intenance_x.htm
 Hiring out the work
Percentage of total aircraft maintenance spending paid to contractors by some of the largest U.S. passenger airlines1:

Airline 1990 2002
AirTran Airways n/a 52%
Alaska 71% 78%
America West 68% 77%
American 30% 41%
ATA Airlines 27% 16%
Continental 44% 65%
Delta 18% 38%
Frontier n/a 69%
JetBlue n/a 45%
Northwest 20% 45%
Southwest 72% 72%
United 21% 33%
US Airways 50% 50%
1 — These figures are based only on airlines' direct annual costs such as labor and materials and exclude costs such as depreciation and amortization.
Sources: Back Aviation Solutions, airline reports to Department of Transportation

Notice that Northwest farms out only 4% more than AA. I thought they said AMFA was giving away the farm? :lol:
 
Just the Facts
AMFA Skills-The new-fangled t-shirt design boast the Airlines which AMFA represent, The following is documented facts on how they are representing their membership.

Northwest- Amfa won Representation rights at NWA in June of 2000. AMFA negotiated language allowing 38% outsourcing of Labor Hours. Resulting in 50% of NW Mechanics and Related Classifications being Laid off and The Mechanic and Related employees must have a 1990 seniority date to have a job according to the current Seniority List. AMFA at NWA Leads the Industry with the highest Percentage of Mechanics and Related on Layoff and Holds the record of the highest percentage of work being performed overseas.

United- As United asked for concessions from the IAM represented mechanics, AMFA ran an organizing campaign on the property. Mechanics at United were asked to take a 7% pay cut and allowed more Outsourcing. The AMFA Organizers pleaded with mechanics not to accept the offer. As the offer was turned down by the membership, United entered into bankruptcy and started Sec 11 13c proceedings. Because the law is very clear that the union and the company must attempt to negotiate an agreement and absent an agreement the company can ask the judge to do away with the contract in its entirety. The IAM membership voted at the final hour to accept an overall 13% cut in wages, including license premium and allow outsourcing of two United bases losing 6000 members jobs. It was only then that AMFA won representation of the disgruntled IAM membership. It was AMFA, thanks to their intervention that has allowed United to eventually outsource all of the Heavy Maintenance. “6000 plus Members Jobs and countingâ€￾

Alaska- The AMFA won Representation of Alaska in 1999. Since that time Alaska has performed more Maintenance with outside contractors than any other carrier, topping the chart at 70 Percent. AMFA also Introduced Interest based Arbitration to the Alaska contract. During the last Contract discussions AMFA and Alaska went to binding Arbitration which Alaska won Hands down and now the Mechanics have dropped to #7 in Pay. Highest % of Farm-outs in the Industry.


Southwest- The IBT won the highest pay in the Industry for the Southwest Mechanics. AMFA took over Representation of the Members in 2003. During the following months, Cookouts were conducted for funds to hold Arbitrations and AMFA at SWA holds the honor of having the least amount of Participation amongst the members in the Industry.

Atlantic Coast Airlines- ACA Members have endured the last 14 months without a Contract.

Mesaba- AMFA Mesaba members have gone 12 months with no Contract.

Horizon- AMFA Members are currently without a contract going on 8 months.

ATA- AMFA members have been without a contract for over a year.

AMFA Constitution Quote; “During the times of Negotiations commencing at the acceptance of proposals, or after and ending at the date of signing, any Local may choose to Institute an assessment up to 0.5 (50%) the base hourly rate per month of the affected members in Negotiations.â€￾ Several AMFA Locals currently have special assessments!
Stay Informed! Get the Facts! Ask the Questions!

TWU SOLIDARITY! THE Best Choice for the AMT!

I Rest My Case! Present volume of work is very Important and the grievence procedure is beyond reproach! The Members are the ones who benifit not the International!

By the way amfa International keeps this item!