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[MCI transplant]

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[Buck]

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The Final contract is on the United Ailines thread on these boards.

 

[FWAAA]

Sadly, the AA AMTs have chosen to rely on the TWU to represent them in bankruptcy. A union with just one AA contract "victory" (2002) in the past 25-30 years (or more).

 

[700UW]

The AMTs have not chosen nothing, they are represented by the TWU and its the TWU's jurisdiction to represent their members.

 

[FWAAA]

The AMTs have not chosen nothing, they are represented by the TWU and its the TWU's jurisdiction to represent their members.

They most certainly chose the TWU by not replacing the worthless union during the past 8.5 years.

 

[eolesen]

Reading the terms of the UA deal, I'm not so sure it is all that much better than what the TWU got the AA guys... No caps on outsourcing, and what looks like a lot of restrictions on CS'ing.

 

[Bob Owens]

Reading the terms of the UA deal, I'm not so sure it is all that much better than what the TWU got the AA guys... No caps on outsourcing, and what looks like a lot of restrictions on CS'ing.

Really? What are the restrictions on CS'ing? The fact is They have CS rights, we have CS priviliedges and our rules are more restrictive than theirs. Each station at AA makes up their own rules, they can do back to back doubles, some of us can, some can't, depends on the director. They notify management, we put in requests, big difference.

While I don't think he UA deal is great it's much better than what we turned down.
Let's see, more pay, more vacation, more holidays at higher rates of pay, more sick time, more iod time, letters removed after one year,no career decision days,

No caps on outsourcing but arent all current workers system protected? Didnt their caps language prove to be unenforcable anyway? We have caps but all the work done overseas by AA employees who are not TWU is included as in house work, which raises the cap. System protection is enforcable but we have around 1700 without system protection. Sure thy got stuck with a DC but the company contributes a percentage of total earnings, not just the base 2080 hours, and with few coming into the industry and the chop shops being unable to find replacement workers they can pretty much count on plenty of OT being available, and every hour of OT means more dollars being put in their 401ks, and it's not a limited partial match like AA wanted our fleet and new hires to accept.

 

[AV1]

Really? What are the restrictions on CS'ing? The fact is They have CS rights, we have CS priviliedges and our rules are more restrictive than theirs.

Bob,

You have to give credit where credit is due. The CS policy is very leniant right now. Pretty much, at the overhaul stations, people basically are setting their own hours, just saying. It is a good benefit. Shutdown week had people signed up to work and then call in vacation days. In trouble, 100 percent chance they are not. DFW has so many day trades and CS; they have a CS broker. Some things are not right but on this policy, we have to back up on saying its restrictive. I believe most things your saying on this board, but when you say our policy is restrictive, it makes me second guess some of the other things.

 

[amt66]

Reading the terms of the UA deal, I'm not so sure it is all that much better than what the TWU got the AA guys... No caps on outsourcing, and what looks like a lot of restrictions on CS'ing.

Plus they don't have a pension and retiree Med.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob,

You have to give credit where credit is due. The CS policy is very leniant right now. Pretty much, at the overhaul stations, people basically are setting their own hours, just saying. It is a good benefit. Shutdown week had people signed up to work and then call in vacation days. In trouble, 100 percent chance they are not. DFW has so many day trades and CS; they have a CS broker. Some things are not right but on this policy, we have to back up on saying its restrictive. I believe most things your saying on this board, but when you say our policy is restrictive, it makes me second guess some of the other things.

That's where you are, not the Northeast. We have a very restrictive policy. I would rather have a more restricted right than a more liberal priviledge that management can change whenever thy get a bug up their ass.

 

[Bob Owens]

Plus they don't have a pension and retiree Med.

They do have a pension, a direct contribution on all earnings. Between 4 % and 6% depending on age.

 

[Boomer]

Reading the terms of the UA deal, I'm not so sure it is all that much better than what the TWU got the AA guys... No caps on outsourcing, and what looks like a lot of restrictions on CS'ing.

Reread previous posts on SCOPE and the TWU: then reread the threads on the outsourcing of the 757 and get back to me on the outsourcing thing.

The CS deal is just a tool that both AMR and the TWU use to manage anyone that does not play their "local," game; when they are confronted with the disparities among "like situated members," they usually regress to the mean. If it were contractual, it would reduce the ability of both management and the TWU to "maintain order."
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With respect to the posts about the DBP and Retiree Medical Insurance:

You do not get from a Defined Benefit Pension Plan Obligation of $18.3 Billion to a Defined Benefit Plan Asset value of $8.5 Billion since 2003.

You do not get from a fully funded Supplemental Retiree Medical Insurance, ( raising the Retiree Medical Coverage from a Lifetime maximum of $50,000.00 to $500,000.00 on a DEMANDED WHOLE LIFE BASIS,) or a fully funded retiree medical insurance policy, with a lifetime cap of $50,000.00 since 2003.

All Bull$h!te: funded like the mortgage backed securities and the enforcement of securities laws.

 

[1AA]

Plus they don't have a pension and retiree Med.

Yes they still have a Pension.

UAL was Terminated and handed over to the PBGC.
CAL was frozen.
They have 401K match.
It may not be as much as they expected but they do have a pension.

 

[eolesen]

Really? What are the restrictions on CS'ing? The fact is They have CS rights, we have CS priviliedges and our rules are more restrictive than theirs. Each station at AA makes up their own rules, they can do back to back doubles, some of us can, some can't, depends on the director. They notify management, we put in requests, big difference.

You're right, Bob. AA's policy is worse. UA's limits the number of CSO to 30 in a six month period. Back to backs are limited to 2 per week, and it looks like a maximum of four trades per week.

At AA, I'm sure all those guys sticking around AA for the benefits & travel while CS'ing 49% of their hours to work a second job will just be pissing their pants with glee to have that type of flexibility. Really.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

You're right, Bob. AA's policy is worse.

Agreed or not agreed.

It depends on the station, department and the supe involved. Rules are make up, ignored and individually applied.

Sort of like Slick Willy's definition of "is".