Gay Marriage

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 See I told you this guy was  a Socialist. Anytime a Liberal/Progressive gets caught being a hypocritical poop head they resort to calling the other view "Extremest"
 
Oh and Dog, Excellent point. You just can't shut up a socialist as they really believe they have all the answers on how to run your life.

No that is you. You are like an idiot with a bullhorn trying to draw attention to himself.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Are there homosexuals in the psychiatric community? My guess is YES. How would it look if a defined mental disorder is your therapist?

Would you like a paranoid schizophrenic diagnosing your mental disorders?

Worked for The Joker.

 

[SparrowHawk]

No that is you. You are like an idiot with a bullhorn trying to draw attention to himself.

 
 
IIRC it was YOU who used the word extremest, not I.
IIRC it was YOU who took money for an education grant while criticizing welfare recipients for doing exactly the same thing as you.
 
You can't have it both ways dingleberry! If it's wrong for the inner city "Welfare Queen" then it's wrong for you. Because you think you are somehow entitled to this money? While others in a different set of circumstances aren't entitled to partake of the bounty confiscated from those who WORK by the corrupt government and the US version of the Gestapo aka IRS?
 
If you can't see this then perhaps you should look into yet another program called Social Security Disability, as you Sir are truly blind and would easily qualify..

 

[Ms Tree]

Worked for The Joker.

Did I miss where you posted the proof used to put it in the DSM in the first place?  I know you have not posted the proof that it was removed due to politics. 
 
If there was no valid science to show that it was a mental disorder and there is no proof now to show it is a mental disorder what possible reason could there be to have it listed as such ... I mean other than it makes it easier for you to be a bigot?

 

[delldude]

Psychiatry dropped it because of lobbying....Look it up.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 
 
IIRC it was YOU who used the word extremest, not I.
IIRC it was YOU who took money for an education grant while criticizing welfare recipients for doing exactly the same thing as you.
 
You can't have it both ways dingleberry! If it's wrong for the inner city "Welfare Queen" then it's wrong for you. Because you think you are somehow entitled to this money? While others in a different set of circumstances aren't entitled to partake of the bounty confiscated from those who WORK by the corrupt government and the US version of the Gestapo aka IRS?
 
If you can't see this then perhaps you should look into yet another program called Social Security Disability, as you Sir are truly blind and would easily qualify..

The difference is I did not choose to make it a lifestyle. You are the one with the blinders on.
 
Keep acting the fool though.
 

You worked in the airline business right?  If that's the case then you should be the last one wanting Social Security and Medicare phased out.  That's because your retirement was probably butchered in BK court and your retire medical non-existent.
 
So just keep pretending that you don't benefit from government programs.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Did I miss where you posted the proof used to put it in the DSM in the first place?  I know you have not posted the proof that it was removed due to politics. 
 
If there was no valid science to show that it was a mental disorder and there is no proof now to show it is a mental disorder what possible reason could there be to have it listed as such ... I mean other than it makes it easier for you to be a bigot?

Psychiatry dropped it because of lobbying....Look it up.

Deny that which you don't want to see. It seems to work for you.

 

[Ms Tree]

Deny that which you don't want to see. It seems to work for you.

If it is so obvious please show us a link. Present some evidence that there was science behind the decision to put it in the DSM. Otherwise you have nothing... As usual. Go for it. I dare you.

Or easier yet, since science has advanced a bit it should be easy to find some science that proves it should still be in the DSM.

Either way... put your money where your mouth is.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

If it is so obvious please show us a link. Present some evidence that there was science behind the decision to put it in the DSM. Otherwise you have nothing... As usual. Go for it. I dare you.

Or easier yet, since science has advanced a bit it should be easy to find some science that proves it should still be in the DSM.

Either way... put your money where your mouth is.

 
The first version, released in 1952, listed homosexuality as a sociopath personality disturbance. In 1968, the second version (DSM II) reclassified homosexuality as a sexual deviancy. Soon afterward, gay protestors began picketing at the APA’s annual conventions, demanding that homosexuality be removed from the list completely. In 1973, after intensive debate and numerous disturbances by gay activists, the APA decided to remove homosexuality from it’s next manual (DSM IV) completely. 
 
It was voted out in 1973 by the members of the APA. David Rosenhan claimed that unlike medical disorders which could be measured, psychiatric disorders were based on consensus.
 
There you go. 100% political peer pressure by gay activist. I have put my proverbial "money where my mouth is". Your turn.

 

[Ms Tree]

No one is disputing that it was in the DSM.  The question I asked and that you are avoiding is what is the science that put it in there in the first place.
 
Well shoot.  He must be the chit.  I did not know that Rosenhan was the definitive source for all things DSM.  Could there be different studies out there that refute the idea that homosexuality is a disorder?
 
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html
 

 
Hooker administered three projective tests (the Rorschach, Thematic Apperception Test [TAT], and Make-A-Picture-Story [MAPS] Test) to 30 homosexual males and 30 heterosexual males recruited through community organizations. The two groups were matched for age, IQ, and education. None of the men were in therapy at the time of the study.
Unaware of each subject's sexual orientation, two independent Rorschach experts evaluated the men's overall adjustment using a 5-point scale. They classified two-thirds of the heterosexuals and two-thirds of the homosexuals in the three highest categories of adjustment. When asked to identify which Rorschach protocols were obtained from homosexuals, the experts could not distinguish respondents' sexual orientation at a level better than chance.
A third expert used the TAT and MAPS protocols to evaluate the psychological adjustment of the men. As with the Rorschach responses, the adjustment ratings of the homosexuals and heterosexuals did not differ significantly.
Hooker concluded from her data that homosexuality is not a clinical entity and that homosexuality is not inherently associated with psychopathology.
 

 
 
http://www.psychiatry.org/lgbt-sexual-orientation
 

Is Homosexuality A Mental Disorder?
No. All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association’s Board of Trustees removed homosexuality from its official diagnostic manual, The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Second Edition (DSM II). The action was taken following a review of the scientific literature and consultation with experts in the field. The experts found that homosexuality does not meet the criteria to be considered a mental illness.
 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

No one is disputing that it was in the DSM.  

Good. We agree on that part.
 

The question I asked and that you are avoiding is what is the science that put it in there in the first place.

unlike medical disorders which could be measured, psychiatric disorders were based on consensus.

I gave you an answer. You just did not like it. Psychology is not an exact science. It never was. How do you scientifically prove a child molester is mentally ill. You can't. It is done through consensus. Keep using your ridiculous argument though. It is nothing if not entertaining.
 
You have admitted it was in the DSM... now admit it was taken out due to politics. Or is that too much truth for one libtard in too short of a period.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Good. We agree on that part.
 
I gave you an answer. You just did not like it. Psychology is not an exact science. It never was. How do you scientifically prove a child molester is mentally ill. You can't. It is done through consensus. Keep using your ridiculous argument though. It is nothing if not entertaining.

Your ignorance is not entertaining. You do not understand there is a difference between psychology and psychiatry.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Your ignorance is not entertaining. You do not understand there is a difference between psychology and psychiatry.

Do not presume to tell me what I do and do not understand.
 
I understand there is a difference in education path and the ability to write prescriptions, however, to most of the public the two terms are interchangeable.
 
If you asked most people on the street what the difference was my bet is less than 20 percent would know the difference anyway so why bother making the distinction?
 
You are in one of those presumed 20 percent. Congrats. Would you like a cookie?
 
I will assume the only reason you know the difference is because you have been to see so many of them. 😀

 

[Ms Tree]

Good. We agree on that part.
 
I gave you an answer. You just did not like it. Psychology is not an exact science. It never was. How do you scientifically prove a child molester is mentally ill. You can't. It is done through consensus. Keep using your ridiculous argument though. It is nothing if not entertaining.
 
You have admitted it was in the DSM... now admit it was taken out due to politics. Or is that too much truth for one libtard in too short of a period.

No, that is merely one persons belief on why it was removed.  Again, what science put it on there in the first place and is there any science (see my links) that justified it being removed.
 
You think proving a child molester is done through consensus?  Hee hee hee. That explains a whole lot.  Now I understand why you won't provide an answer as to what science put homosexuality in the DSM.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Not a fan of the DSM as it it essentially a set of criteria to describe a pattern of behavior that is then given a name like say "Bi-Polar". This is why the Mental Health Community IMO suffers as unlike regular medicine most disease has a test to identify it. Ones that do not like Wegner's Disease could at one time only be diagnosed at autopsy which wasn't all that helpful. Conversely Fibromyalgia was at first thought to a psychosomatic ailment which was later found to be wrong.
 
Conventional Wisdom is not always  supported by Science and Science is all subject to failure. The vagaries of the Universe seem to have 2 primary methods of explanation. One is Science, the application of logic and reason and the other is religion in the form of "God's Will". At times neither are are very effective and defining Homosexuality seems to be one of those areas