Gay Marriage

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

If as an individual I choose to behave differently. Does that make me mentally ill? Van Gogh cut off his ear. He initiated force against no one.

A typical libtard that uses justification in the place of reason.
 
Thank you for that exemplary example.

 

[signals]

   

Children have stigmas in all sorts of situations. Interracial children, children from poor back grounds, children of different ethnic or national back grounds... the list goes on.

How many children do you have?

 

[signals]

   

I doubt there are any that would satisfy you. By the same token, there is nothing out there that shows children raised in same sex households are at any more of a disadvantage than other children.

How have your children turned out? Studies aren't the real thing unless you experience it.

 

[SparrowHawk]

A typical libtard that uses justification in the place of reason.
 
Thank you for that exemplary example.

 
Still don't know the difference between a Libertarian and a Liberal do you? Kind of like not knowing that you taking a Government grant is a form of socialism.
 
Well at leat you're consistently uninformed.
 
My rights to live as I choose come from our Creator, (Whomever or Whatever you believe that to be). They do not come from governments or self righteous know it all Neo-Con fascists.
 
I have the Creator given right to do as I please

 

[Ms Tree]

Why are people so concerned about some 'stigma'. A stigma seems to occur primarily due to the fact that something is rare and/or unique. Being bi-racial or being part of a bi-racial family used to have a greater stigma than it does today. Bi-racial families are more common place today so the stigma has lessened. I think the concern should be, is the child in a loving happy family. If yes, then whats the issue. No one seems to be talking about the stigmas attached to a child in a hetero abusive family, or a hetero drunk family or a hetro drug family .... etc. Just the kids from the gay family, not even a gay drunk/drug/abusive.... etc. They just have to be gay to have a stigma. I guess the hetero families are so common place there is no longer any stigma attached to them even though the house hold they come from may be horrible.

WHy not look at a family as a unit and judge each family on the basis of if the kids are happy and loved? If we denied any family unit with a stigma to have a child, seems we would end up with only white rich families that have children. Heck, may be not even them, the rich have stigmas as well. Look at Paris Hilton as an example.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 
Still don't know the difference between a Libertarian and a Liberal do you? Kind of like not knowing that you taking a Government grant is a form of socialism.
 
Well at leat you're consistently uninformed.
 
My rights to live as I choose come from our Creator, (Whomever or Whatever you believe that to be). They do not come from governments or self righteous know it all Neo-Con fascists.
 
I have the Creator given right to do as I please

Then why have laws?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Then why have laws?

 
 
To keep dim bulbs like you under control.
 
Under Natural Law, which is the underlying premise of the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution, an individual has certain inalienable rights.
 
The basic notion is you have the Creator given right to live as you choose as long as you don't initiate force against another. (Right to self defense & 2nd Amendment)  As  a result we have laws to punish those who initiate force. This concept carries forward in all we do. This is also why Libertarians are in favor of strengthening private property rights as a way to more effectively protect our environment. Here in PA we had a 40 plus year battle with a polluter who just recently passed in Costa Rica where it was impossible to get his assets to cover part of the 30 to 40 million it took to clean up his mess. Do a search on the name Manfred DeRewal and prepare to be appalled.
 
We don't need a lot of laws we need a few really good ones aggressively and equally enforced. Who marries and screws whom is not on the list. Part of the concept of Individual Liberty is that our government is supposed to protect that Liberty. NOT stifle it.

 

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If you live in a region of the country governed by a federal appeals court that has found a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, you are free to enter into a same-sex marriage — even if your state only recognizes traditional marriage. For example, same-sex marriage is now legal in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, which includes Virginia, North and South Carolina, Maryland and West Virginia. 
 
Certainly, the court decisions finding a constitutional right to same-sex marriage are faulty. The Supreme Court’s 1972 summary decision in Baker v. Nelson is, formally at least, still good law.
That decision — which implicitly held that there is no federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage — was not overturned by last year’s Windsor v. United States decision.
 
In fact, the Windsor decision overturned parts of the Federal Defense of Marriage Act, but didn’t even mention the Baker case. It seems that as far as the Supreme Court is concerned, states are free to enact same-sex marriage laws, or not to enact them. http://dailysignal.com/2014/12/07/why-the-supreme-court-might-agree-to-hear-a-same-sex-marriage-case-after-all/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

 

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One way to prevent the government from violating your rights is to stop bad legislation in its tracks. Citizens in Fayetteville, Ark., did just that Tuesday. After the city council of the college town passed a “civil rights” ordinance that undermined basic civil liberties back in August, voters took to the polls to repeal the law, ordinance 119.
 
But no one has the right to have the government force a particular minister to marry them, or a certain photographer to capture the first kiss, or a baker to bake the wedding cake. Declining to perform these services doesn’t violate anyone’s rights. Some citizens may conclude that they cannot in good conscience participate in a same-sex ceremony, from priests and pastors to bakers and florists. The government should not force them to choose between their religious beliefs and their livelihood.
 
http://dailysignal.com/2014/12/10/citizens-voted-repeal-bad-civil-rights-law/

 

[KCFlyer]

While there is a lot of opposition to gay marriage because it can diminish the sanctity of marriage, it's nice to know that Charles Manson was legally able to get a marriage license and marry his 26 year old finace. 
 
http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/12/14/charles-manson-wife-wedding-ring-pic-afton-burton/

 

[Dog Wonder]

While there is a lot of opposition to gay marriage because it can diminish the sanctity of marriage, it's nice to know that Charles Manson was legally able to get a marriage license and marry his 26 year old finace.

Manson always was a family man.

 

[Ms Tree]

Then you have a 50% divorce rate and people like Elizabeth Taylor who got married 8 times. Then there is Gingrich who has been married 3 times and who was cheating on his current wife when he was trolling for a replacement.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

Still don't know the difference between a Libertarian and a Liberal do you? Kind of like not knowing that you taking a Government grant is a form of socialism.
 
Well at leat you're consistently uninformed.

He's a mental midget. Everyone is either a libtard or a "deviant" to him

 

[Dog Wonder]

It boosts his self esteem.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

He's a mental midget. Everyone is either a libtard or a "deviant" to him

Or? You are both.