Gay Marriage

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 
We are talking about laws here, not tradition or culture.  It was tradition and culture to own slave.  It was tradition and culture to treat women as property "Who give this woman ..."  It was tradition and culture to not allow interracial marriage.  All of these traditions were eventually overturned by law. 
 
Not sure why you keep bringing up religion.  None of the legal cases pending will have any affect on religious institutions.  The only thing being contested is equal access to civil marriage.  It is a simple contract.  There is no state interest in preventing such contracts.  The 14th is very clear on the issue as the SCOTUS and several Federal courts have already stated.
 
You can try to frame this how ever you choose but no one is buying what you're selling.  It is all about religion.  How many atheists are arguing against marriage equality?  Can you point to an argument against marriage equality that is not religious based?

I am not the one that brought up religion Ms Tree.
 

Since we refuse to separate church and state...which Jesus did not the atheists...I really couldn't care less what goes on in Caesar's house. BUT the religious fanatics are allowing the gay marriage theme to enter the churches.

F%C^ Caesar! Let the state dictate it's own rules and laws. Who gives a crap if Frank and Hank or Eve and June want to marry. Let Fido and Frank marry for all I care...in Caesar's house.

But continued interference in Caesar's world is why eventually the true attack will come at the church. And you have nobody to blame but yourselves for tilting the scales of justice.

Another example of a libtard making up his own "facts". 
 
I can see how you would not see that...... I mean it was only ONE POST ABOVE MINE.....

 

[Ms Tree]

You always bring up religion when talking about marriage equality and you did it here as well. You just don't see it.

 

[SparrowHawk]

You always bring up religion when talking about marriage equality and you did it here as well. You just don't see it.

 
You really have to bring religion into the equation as that's what a marriage is. A religious convent "Married" to civil tort law.
 
IMO, the government SHOULD be involved in the Civil Tort Law portion of the equation and NOT the [SIZE=14.3999996185303px]religious convent portion which is clearly subject to the dogma of a particular religion. In fact to the best of my knowledge there is no main stream religion like Christianity, Islam, [/SIZE]Judaism, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, Sikh[SIZE=14.3999996185303px] among others that expressly condones homosexuality.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=14.3999996185303px]The basic concepts of natural law which is the basis for our founding documents gives us the RIGHT to live as we choose.[/SIZE]

 

[Ms Tree]

That's the part that La la does not get. 
 
And govt is involved in the the civil part of marriage.  SO far as I am aware, there is no govt involvment in the religious aspect of it.

 

[SparrowHawk]

That's the part that La la does not get. 
 
And govt is involved in the the civil part of marriage.  SO far as I am aware, there is no govt involvment in the religious aspect of it.

 
But if you COMBINE civil tort and a religious marriage ceremony then Government is a participant whether it wants to be or not

 

[Ms Tree]

Who is combining it? How is it combined? No one needs a license to get married in a religious institution. Govt does not even need to know about it. License is only needed for a civil marriage.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Who is combining it? How is it combined? No one needs a license to get married in a religious institution. Govt does not even need to know about it. License is only needed for a civil marriage.

 
 
Simple, The word "marriage" has always referred to the religious aspects of marriage. As you stated, take away marriage and you have a simple contract between people that defines the framework of their relationship. IMO, The government has no authority at the Federal Level to regulate or otherwise dictate terms of any state civil tort contract that is compliance with the COTUS.
 
Their are no "Gay Rights". Just the liberty of the individual who is of age to enter into a contract with another person(s) Flip it around and only have a church marriage for no formal civil tort contract. A choice you can make.
 
A clvi tort contract entered into by adults is all that should be required. Anything else is the business of those involved.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

That's the part that La la does not get. 
 
And govt is involved in the the civil part of marriage.  SO far as I am aware, there is no govt involvment in the religious aspect of it.

Until they start forcing churches to marry gay couples.

 

[Ms Tree]

Until they start forcing churches to marry gay couples.

let me know when that happens and I will be out there protesting. Regardless, that is not a bad is upon which to deny people equal rights.

 

[Ms Tree]

Simple, The word "marriage" has always referred to the religious aspects of marriage. As you stated, take away marriage and you have a simple contract between people that defines the framework of their relationship. IMO, The government has no authority at the Federal Level to regulate or otherwise dictate terms of any state civil tort contract that is compliance with the COTUS.
 
Their are no "Gay Rights". Just the liberty of the individual who is of age to enter into a contract with another person(s) Flip it around and only have a church marriage for no formal civil tort contract. A choice you can make.
 
A clvi tort contract entered into by adults is all that should be required. Anytuhing else is the business of those involved.

The word marriage is not copy right protected. Anyone can use the word. The word now has more than one meaning.

 

[signals]

Until they start forcing churches to marry gay couples.

That statement is what my point was all about. If churches(and their beliefs) interfere with Caesar, the balance is restored by Caesar interfering with the church. IT IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO AVOID.

But go ahead and make your bed.

 

[signals]

I am not the one that brought up religion Ms Tree.
 
Another example of a libtard making up his own "facts".

I am as far from a libtard as you are from Adam.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I am as far from a libtard as you are from Adam.

Or Eve. Think he's a closet queen?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

The word marriage is not copy right protected. Anyone can use the word. The word now has more than one meaning.

Yes libtards are really good at trying to reinvent things to sell lies.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I am as far from a libtard as you are from Adam.

That was not referencing you that was referencing Ms Tree.