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George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin

That's just the words of a sore loser trying to avert the jury from the realization that the thug started a fight with someone he couldn't close the deal with. :lol:
ooh, I see, the sore loser law . . GTFO
 
IMHO,

This thread has run it's course.

There are two camps here.
Justice & Revenge

The revenge crowd demanded 'Justice' but when they didn't get what they wanted, they demanded revenge, which they always wanted anyway.

Turned it into a 'race bait' instead of looking at the rule of law.
If the law is wrong, change it by due process, not by political & media hype.

Much less anarchy.

The revenge crowd will never change their minds.

B) xUT

Dog has his own category.......Rabies.

"Animals with rabies suffer deterioration of the brain and tend to behave bizarrely and often aggressively, increasing the chances that they will bite another animal or a person and transmit the disease"

PROBLEM SOLVED

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To me this is a sad case where nobody wins. Is Zimmerman a murderer? No. Did Martin deserve to die? No. Bad decisions on both sides and a gun lead to a tragedy where a young man is dead and another mans life will be a mess for many many years. Change any decision or No gun and more than likely the most this would have been is an assault charge against a 17 year old kid with no real criminal record and Zimmerman would be free to go on with his life, probably still doing the neighborhood watch. The gun nuts will say that Martin may have beaten him to death, possible, but not likely, because more than likely if Zimmerman didn't have the gun he probably would not have approached Martin in the first place. I don't believe that Zimmerman set out to murder anyone and I believe he acted out of fear for his life but he as an adult put himself in that situation. Should Zimmerman have simply walked? No, somebody died as a result of him interfering with somebody else's rights to be left alone. Martin was not stalking Zimmerman and his reasons for being there were legitimate, Zimmerman was stalking him. Martin, a minor without a fully developed brain but an adult sized body overreacted to Zimmerman's intrusion. If you choose to carry a gun, which the law allows, then you need to be held responsible when you use that weapon. One has to wonder, if Zimmerman did not have the gun would he have been so bold in approaching the large adult sized minor? Or would he have simply called the police and let them handle it and Martin would have then simply went to his friends house and eaten his Skittles? There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmerman was in part responsible for the incident that lead to the death of Martin. Our legal system recognizes the fact that Minors are not mentally equipped to be held completely accountable for the decisions they make, that's why we deny them the right to vote or legally obtain alchohol or tobacco, drive cars or sign legally binding contracts. Both were aggressors and both were victims, but one came out much worse and he was a minor. There has to be some accountability for the death or a minor at the hands of an adult, but it was not murder.
 
To me this is a sad case where nobody wins. Is Zimmerman a murderer? No. Did Martin deserve to die? No. Bad decisions on both sides and a gun lead to a tragedy where a young man is dead and another mans life will be a mess for many many years. Change any decision or No gun and more than likely the most this would have been is an assault charge against a 17 year old kid with no real criminal record and Zimmerman would be free to go on with his life, probably still doing the neighborhood watch. The gun nuts will say that Martin may have beaten him to death, possible, but not likely, because more than likely if Zimmerman didn't have the gun he probably would not have approached Martin in the first place. I don't believe that Zimmerman set out to murder anyone and I believe he acted out of fear for his life but he as an adult put himself in that situation. Should Zimmerman have simply walked? No, somebody died as a result of him interfering with somebody else's rights to be left alone. Martin was not stalking Zimmerman and his reasons for being there were legitimate, Zimmerman was stalking him. Martin, a minor without a fully developed brain but an adult sized body overreacted to Zimmerman's intrusion. If you choose to carry a gun, which the law allows, then you need to be held responsible when you use that weapon. One has to wonder, if Zimmerman did not have the gun would he have been so bold in approaching the large adult sized minor? Or would he have simply called the police and let them handle it and Martin would have then simply went to his friends house and eaten his Skittles? There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmerman was in part responsible for the incident that lead to the death of Martin. Our legal system recognizes the fact that Minors are not mentally equipped to be held completely accountable for the decisions they make, that's why we deny them the right to vote or legally obtain alchohol or tobacco, drive cars or sign legally binding contracts. Both were aggressors and both were victims, but one came out much worse and he was a minor. There has to be some accountability for the death or a minor at the hands of an adult, but it was not murder.
Where we can all agree that no one deserved to die in this case, and there were a lot of bad decisions on the part of Martin and Zimmerman, I think you have misrepresented the testimony given by both State and Defense witnesses in many areas.

It’s only your speculation and not that from a “gun nut” that Martin wouldn’t have beaten Zimmerman to death. It was proven that Martin was on top of Zimmerman punching him MMA style. This beating went on for 40 seconds until Zimmerman shot him in self-defense. There’s not many of us “gun freaks” that are willing to be beaten for 40 seconds hoping the beating will stop within seconds of losing our life. You are welcome to test your ludicrous and unsubstantiated theory, but not me.

The notion that a 17 year old doesn’t have the mental development of an adult is only plausible if you believe that an 18 year old does. On your 18th birthday you don’t, all of a sudden, develop a fully developed adult brain.

For those that don’t believe a displaced or broken nose couldn’t possibly make you fear for your life, let me remind you that just a few months ago a 17 year old soccer player punched a referee in the nose as a response to getting yellow carded. The referee’s nose was pushed back into his brain and death was sudden. It may come as a surprise to many that one of the fastest ways to kill a human is a well-placed, upwards thrust fist to the nose.

You have no evidence what-so-ever that Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun. We know from testimony that Zimmerman didn’t know Martin didn’t have a gun. Do you really think Zimmerman wouldn’t have stopped and ask Martin a question if he knew he had a gun? As a “gun freak” and one who is very knowledgeable of self-defense laws, I always assume everyone I come in contact with has a concealed firearm.

Zimmerman did not “intrude” into Martin’s right to be where he was legally entitled to be. Zimmerman had every right to question Martin as to what he was doing, just as you and I have the right to ask a stranger in our neighborhood what they are doing. If I’m wrong please let me know what law I am breaking.

Zimmerman was not stalking Martin, he may have used his legal right to follow him for a short period of time but that’s not illegal, is it? Asking a question does not start a fight. To the contrary, it was Martin, who broke away and out of sight of Zimmerman for a period of time and who told his girlfriend, who testified that Martin told her he was going back to confront Zimmerman. You may not be aware of this but “duty to retreat” does not cover you if you return to the danger you just retreated from! That, Mr. Owens, was the testimony of the State’s star witness and Martin girlfriend who he called, instead of the police when he felt his life was in jeopardy.

Based on that testimony and the physical evidence it’s wouldn’t be a stretch to believe that it was, in fact, Martin who stalked Zimmerman, started the altercation and died trying to take the life of another.

Martin had every opportunity to simply return to the safety of his home, a mere 75 yards away but elected instead to flee for 4 minutes only to return to the danger.
 
To me this is a sad case where nobody wins. Is Zimmerman a murderer? No. Did Martin deserve to die? No. Bad decisions on both sides and a gun lead to a tragedy where a young man is dead and another mans life will be a mess for many many years. Change any decision or No gun and more than likely the most this would have been is an assault charge against a 17 year old kid with no real criminal record and Zimmerman would be free to go on with his life, probably still doing the neighborhood watch. The gun nuts will say that Martin may have beaten him to death, possible, but not likely, because more than likely if Zimmerman didn't have the gun he probably would not have approached Martin in the first place. I don't believe that Zimmerman set out to murder anyone and I believe he acted out of fear for his life but he as an adult put himself in that situation. Should Zimmerman have simply walked? No, somebody died as a result of him interfering with somebody else's rights to be left alone. Martin was not stalking Zimmerman and his reasons for being there were legitimate, Zimmerman was stalking him. Martin, a minor without a fully developed brain but an adult sized body overreacted to Zimmerman's intrusion. If you choose to carry a gun, which the law allows, then you need to be held responsible when you use that weapon. One has to wonder, if Zimmerman did not have the gun would he have been so bold in approaching the large adult sized minor? Or would he have simply called the police and let them handle it and Martin would have then simply went to his friends house and eaten his Skittles? There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmerman was in part responsible for the incident that lead to the death of Martin. Our legal system recognizes the fact that Minors are not mentally equipped to be held completely accountable for the decisions they make, that's why we deny them the right to vote or legally obtain alchohol or tobacco, drive cars or sign legally binding contracts. Both were aggressors and both were victims, but one came out much worse and he was a minor. There has to be some accountability for the death or a minor at the hands of an adult, but it was not murder.

That's great Bob. Now give your take on the following. Of course it didn't receive much media attention, since it was a white kid, who was shot and killed !

This sound familiar ?

"What Do George Zimmerman and Roderick Scott Have in Common? "

“At that point, Scott testified he pulled his handgun out of the holster, and chambered a round. ‘I wanted to protect myself and I intended to,’ Scott said.”
“He told the individuals to stop, that his girlfriend had called 911, and that he had a gun. The individuals stopped, and a few seconds passed. Scott says the teens were talking, then one of them ran around the front of the truck. The other ran down the driveway toward him, screaming. Scott warned him he had a gun, then shot him.”
Sounds a lot like the Zimmerman/Martin situation, doesn’t it? There are some differences. The shooter – Roderick Scott – was immediately arrested and charged with murder. A citizen’s grand jury recommended the lighter charge of manslaughter, which was what the prosecution went with for Scott.
There was a trial and Scott was acquitted of all charges.


Roderick Scott is black. The person he shot – Chris Cervini – was white and was only 16-years-old. That means that Scott shot a child who was unarmed.
In fact, as it turns out, Cervini was an honor student.


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What's this world coming to?

The moment George Zimmerman was pulled over by cops in Texas for speeding on Sunday: He told officers he had a GUN and was 'going nowhere in particular'
  • George Zimmerman pulled over driving cross-country in Forney, Texas for speeding on Sunday
  • Told the officer that he was carrying a gun and was advised to place it in his glove compartment
  • The officer reportedly did not recognize Zimmerman - even after the 29-year-old checked
  • Was issued with a warning and sent on his way - telling the officer he 'was going nowhere in particular'
  • Second traffic related incidence in the space of two weeks involving Zimmerman
Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2afcQPrqu
 
I love the spin... "second traffic related incidence in the space of two weeks."

Never mind the fact that in the first one, he was actually passing by an accident and stopped to render aid.
 

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