Global warming wreaks havoc on the Heartland

[local 12 proud]

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/200...ice-storm_x.htm 😱

 

[delldude]

This global warming thing has me scared...I've read about poor poor Eskimos not freezing their Kayoons off....Read about glaciers melting and seas rising....Oh my lordie....where do we go from here?

melting glaciers? WHATS A MOTHER TO DO?

Know you lib's love blogs...sorry

Global Warming is here?

Oh my God,we're doomed

Expanding Glacier?

 

[KCFlyer]

This global warming thing has me scared...I've read about poor poor Eskimos not freezing their Kayoons off....Read about glaciers melting and seas rising....Oh my lordie....where do we go from here?

melting glaciers? WHATS A MOTHER TO DO?

Know you lib's love blogs...sorry

Global Warming is here?

Oh my God,we're doomed

Expanding Glacier?

Say what you will, but last night was the first time this "winter" that I slept with my windows closed. We've had an exceptionally mild winter.

 

[delldude]

Somebody hasn't been doing their homework on this global warming thing.If its so damn dire,why is there so much info out there showing growing rather than retreating glacial movement? Also there is quite a bundle of info showing rising ocean temps are caused by deep volcanic activity in the earths core.So why do we not hear anything relating to these sources or proofs?Info shows ice cap growth....why are we being fed a load on this?

Glaciers are growing around the world, including the United States

Antarctic Ice Sheet Growing
Sea Levels Falling

8 Nov 06 –– Research scientists D.J. Wingham et al. analyzed satellite
altimeter echoes to determine changes in volume of the Antarctic ice
sheet from 1992 to 2003. This survey, in their words, "covers 85% of
the East Antarctic ice sheet and 51% of the West Antarctic ice sheet,"
which together comprise "72% of the grounded ice sheet."

They found that the ice sheet is growing at 5 ± 1 mm year-." Not only
is the ice sheet growing thicker, its volume is increasing. The researchers
estimate that "72% of the Antarctic ice sheet is gaining 27 ± 29 Gt year,
sufficient to "lower [my' italics] global sea levels by 0.08 mm year."

This net extraction of water from the global ocean, according to Wingham
et al., occurs because "mass gains from accumulating snow, particularly on
the Antarctic Peninsula and within East Antarctica, exceed the ice dynamic
mass loss from West Antarctica."

Contrary to all the horror stories one hears about rising sea levels that
gobble up coastal lowlands worldwide, the real-world data suggests just
the opposite effect.

Reference
Wingham, D.J., Shepherd, A., Muir, A. and Marshall, G.J. 2006.
"Mass balance of the Antarctic ice sheet. Philosophical Transactions
of the Royal Society A, 364: 1627-1635.

http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2Scien...s/V9/N45/C2.jsp

ocean warming has resulted in increased snowfall which has created a cooling

The headline screams "Antarctica Has Warmed In Last 150 years,"
But the ensuing article admits that "Antarctica cooled considerably during
the 1990s"

I think the headline could more appropriately have read:

Antarctic Cooling Picks Up Speed
Five Times Faster Than in the Past 150 Years



Here's the article:

New Evidence Shows Antarctica Has Warmed In Last 150 Years
Despite recent indications that Antarctica cooled considerably during the 1990s,
new research suggests that the world's iciest continent has been getting gradually
warmer for the last 150 years.

6 Sep 06 –– New ice core data shows that average Antarctic temperatures have
risen about 2/10ths of a degree C (one third of a degree F) in 150 years. The
overall increase includes a decline of nearly one degree in the 1990s, said David
Schneider, a University of Washington postdoctoral researcher in Earth and space
sciences.

"Even if you account for the cooling in the '90s, we still see that two-tenths of a
degree increase from the middle of the 1800s to the end of the 20th century," said
Schneider, lead author of a paper published Aug. 30 in Geophysical Research
Letters.

The main reason that Antarctica appears to have cooled during the 1990s, the article continues, is that a natural phenomenon called the Antarctic Oscillation, or
Southern Annular Mode, was largely in its positive phase during that time. The
Antarctic Oscillation is so named because atmospheric pressure in far southern
latitudes randomly oscillates between positive and negative phases.

Uh huh. A one-degree cooling in ten years was caused by natural forces . . .
but the mere 2/10ths of a degree warming over 150 years wasn’t caused by
natural forces?

Two-tenths of a degree in 150 years. Hardly a disaster. At that rate,
Antarctica could warm by one degree in 750 years. To my way of thinking,
such an increase seems suspiciously similar to what we might consider to be
normal for a planet that is still emerging from the last ice age.

Is this the sort of slanted media coverage that Senator Inhofe was talking about?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/...60905225912.htm

Snow Job
The truth about the great overhyped glacier melt
Thus reads the cover of National Review, June 5, 2006



Inside, you’ll find a wonderful article by Jason Lee Steorts.
Here are a few excerpts from “Scare of the Century.â€



“The alarms and assertions about global warming have gone reprehensibly too far,â€
says Steorts.

“Suddenly and unexpectedly,†Time announced in a recent issue, “the crisis is upon us. The climate is crashing, and global warming [what else?] is to blame.â€
“We see a photograph of a polar bear, standing all by his lonesome at the water’s
edge, and are told that the poor fellow might drown because “polar ice caps are
melting faster than ever.†Later, we learn that “the journal Science published a
study suggesting that by the end of the century, the world could be locked in to an
eventual rise in sea levels of as much as 20 ft.â€

â€The policy implications of such reportage are clear, but in case you missed them,
Time connects the dots: “Curbing global warming may be an order of magnitude
harder than, say, eradicating smallpox or putting a man on the moon. But is it moral
not to try?â€

“The answer is, yes, it may indeed be moral not to try. What is not moral is to
distort the truth for political ends—which is precisely what has been done with the
ice-caps story. Here’s what you haven’t read.â€

“The world has two major ice sheets, one covering most of Greenland and the
other covering most of Antarctica but the chances of the ice caps fully melting are
about as high as the chances of Times giving you an honest story on global
warming.â€

“ University of Virginia climate scientist Patrick J. Michaels is direct: “What has
happened is that Antarctica has been gaining ice.†Michaels explains that there has
been a cooling trend over most of Antarctica for decades. “At the same time, one
tiny portion of the continent—the Antarctic Peninsula —has been warming, and its
ice has been melting. The peninsula constitutes only about 2 percent of Antarctica ’s total area, but almost every study of melting Antarctic ice you’ve
heard of focuses on it.†(Which I’ve been saying all along.)

Antarctica has gained 45 billion tons of ice per year between 1992 and 2003,
says Steorts, “enough to lower sea levels by roughly 0.12 millimeters annually.â€
(Lower sea levels, not higher, which is also what I've been saying.)

But those figures take us only to 2003. A study released earlier this year, says
Steorts, suggests that the Antarctic Ice Sheet has lost about 152 cubic kilometers
of ice per year during the past three years, equivalent to about 0.4 millimeters of
annual sea-level rise. “But three years do not make a trend,†says Steorts. This
kind of alarmism “is on the order of going to the beach at high tide, drawing a line
at the water’s edge, and fretting a few hours later that the oceans are drying up.â€

And Greenland ? Some studies show that it’s losing a negligible amount of mass,
others show that it’s gaining a negligible amount of mass. Even if the losing-mass
proponents are correct, “Add all the numbers from Greenland and Antarctica up,â€
says Steorts, “and you get a rather piddling total. In 2005, Jay Zwally of NASA
published a study in the Journal of Glaciology that looked at the ice-mass
changes for both Greenland and Antarctica from 1992 to 2002. He concluded that
the total ice loss was equivalent to a sea-level rise of just 0.05 millimeters per year.
At that rate, it would take the oceans a millennium to gain 5 centimeters, and a full
20,000 years to rise by a meter. To the hills, anyone?â€

You don’t need to invoke man-made global warming to explain what’s going on,
says Steorts. “We have temperature records indicating that Greenland was as
warm as it is today during the first half of the 20th century. “If today’s temperatures
are casing Greenland ’s coastal ice to slide into the sea, it must have been positively
galloping there 80 years ago.

“Fred Singer of George Mason University points out that “we have historic
[temperature] records in Europe going back a thousand years. It was much
warmer then than today. Polar bears survived. The ice caps survived.â€

“Time, Al Gore, the Democratic party, the EU, politically correct scientists, and
the entire green lobby want us to throw enormous sums of money [via the Kyoto
Treaty] at solutions that won’t work anyhow.

Good plan, guys.â€

See the entire article at:

http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=N...TFiNmYwZTUyZmU=
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With all this available info,somebody then is trying to float an agenda on unsuspecting people IMHO.
Sure ice is melting in some areas but increasing in others also.....maybe its just the way it is here on the third stone from the sun?

 

[local 12 proud]

Sure ice is melting in some areas but increasing in others also.....maybe its just the way it is here on the third stone from the sun?

Yea nothing new about whats happening, its been occurring for eons. we live on a Living Planet!

Global Warming:
A Chilling Perspective

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

 

[local 12 proud]

last night was the first time this "winter" that I slept with my windows closed. We've had an exceptionally mild winter.

well then pop a cold one and work on your sun tan.

 

[Bagbelt]

The entire artic ice sheet is projected to disappear within 30 years. It may be due to natural forces, but dumping millions of tons of carbon into the air and water daily for the last 150 years can concievably take a toll. I'm not sure how much can be done about it at this point except trying to limit how much damage we do. The world can only support so many people and thats'it.

 

[local 12 proud]

The entire artic ice sheet is projected to disappear within 30 years. It may be due to natural forces, but dumping millions of tons of carbon into the air and water daily for the last 150 years can concievably take a toll. I'm not sure how much can be done about it at this point except trying to limit how much damage we do. The world can only support so many people and thats'it.

Dude this dance is not the first. The earth has cleansed itself many times in the bygone years each time extinguishing over 90 percent of all living species. Im not saying with certainty that we are entering another one of those periods, but in time we will and there is not a damn thing you or I can do about it. we will probably have a mass kill off of our own species if not all.

 

[Bagbelt]

The world will cleanse itself in geologic time, tens of thousands of years. The biggest thing stressed in hvac is preventing the release of compounds that don't break down in the enviorment, we did o.k. with the cfc problem.

 

[delldude]

The entire artic ice sheet is projected to disappear within 30 years. It may be due to natural forces, but dumping millions of tons of carbon into the air and water daily for the last 150 years can concievably take a toll. I'm not sure how much can be done about it at this point except trying to limit how much damage we do. The world can only support so many people and thats'it.

Yeah and along came a 9.0 and wipes out a million...

Dude...you should research your statement....theres quite a bit of information to view and digest.

The entire artic ice sheet is projected to disappear within 30 years. It may be due to natural forces, but dumping millions of tons of carbon into the air and water daily for the last 150 years can concievably take a toll. I'm not sure how much can be done about it at this point except trying to limit how much damage we do. The world can only support so many people and thats'it.

The suns going to go supernova someday .So if I were you,i'd start stockpiling Coppertone.

 

[local 12 proud]

The world will cleanse itself in geologic time, tens of thousands of years.

Exactly what we've been saying, educate yourself a bit and learn when the last cleansing and mass extinction took place, how about the last ice age?

People in this country are so lazy they would prefer to listen to some nut case with an agenda give them direction rather than pull out a map.

 

[delldude]

Exactly what we've been saying, educate yourself a bit and learn when the last cleansing and mass extinction took place, how about the last ice age?

People in this country are so lazy they would prefer to listen to some nut case with an agenda give them direction rather than pull out a map.

Dig deep into Kyoto Accords and tell me why US should be penalized for providing for the world while 3rd world can pollute their country carte blance?

I smell a UN covert agenda here folks.....Tax the crap out of the US while we pee in the gutter. 😉

 

[Bagbelt]

There is no reason why econonmic growth can't be accomplished with cleaner technology. I think developing hydrogen is a lot more attractive than relying on brown coal, though we have enough coal to last centuries and the tech to covert it to gas has been around since the 20's. A lot of the 3rd world pollution comes from multinational co.'s that don't need to bother with labor or enviormental problems, although we usually pay for their tax breaks.

 

[local 12 proud]

Dig deep into Kyoto Accords and tell me why US should be penalized for providing for the world while 3rd world can pollute their country carte blance?

I smell a UN covert agenda here folks.....Tax the crap out of the US while we pee in the gutter. 😉

Its no secret, you go to the well that has water. 😉

In the mean time the libs advocate filling the buckets for free! :down:

 

[local 12 proud]

There is no reason why econonmic growth can't be accomplished with cleaner technology. I think developing hydrogen is a lot more attractive than relying on brown coal, though we have enough coal to last centuries and the tech to covert it to gas has been around since the 20's. A lot of the 3rd world pollution comes from multinational co.'s that don't need to bother with labor or enviormental problems, although we usually pay for their tax breaks.

We are but a small fish in this vast ocean bagbelt, we have roughly 3 million in a world that now has over 6 Billion. We could revert back to living in tee pee's, camp fires, and making arrow heads out of flint tomorrow, that will not solve the worlds problems. The only utopia that may exist is beyond the will of mankind and it has been that way since the beginning.