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Myths abound about government. Many are perpetuated here and other places.

With the health care reform debate heating up and the possibility of a government option, this is a good time to remind all of what Government really is and what it does.

Look at this site.

Take the quiz here to test what you really know about government.
 
from the first link:

"Why a website defending government? Because for decades, conservatives have been attacking government and not enough has been done to defend it. Ever since Ronald Reagan declared in 1981 that "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem," Republicans have been waging a political war against this institution. Their core message: the free market is good and government is bad."

Yeah, that's not biased. 🙄
 
from the first link:

"Why a website defending government? Because for decades, conservatives have been attacking government and not enough has been done to defend it. Ever since Ronald Reagan declared in 1981 that "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem," Republicans have been waging a political war against this institution. Their core message: the free market is good and government is bad."

Yeah, that's not biased. 🙄
Look in the mirror for bias toward government.

Are you willing to give up all that government does for you? (city, state, and federal)

Did you even bother to read any of it past the first link, or did you just dismiss it out of hand? All of the data is cited from well known, scholarly sources.

Did you take the quiz?
 
I took the quiz and got 10 out of 11 questions right. Just because the statistics are much rosier than what the likes of Glen Beck would have you believe, does not mean that we should have government run more and more of our lives!

I was disappointed that none of the questions were "should the government add such-and-such new program?" or "should the government continue such-and-such existing program"?

These people who run governmentisgood.com want me to believe that everythin government does is good and efficient, and I'm not buying it. Nice try though.
 
Look in the mirror for bias toward government.

Are you willing to give up all that government does for you? (city, state, and federal)

Did you even bother to read any of it past the first link, or did you just dismiss it out of hand? All of the data is cited from well known, scholarly sources.

Did you take the quiz?

Ha ha , I took the quiz before you had a chance to ask me if I took the quiz. 😛

I'm not biased against government. I'm aware there are things that government must do (minting coins) and some things government should do (public schools). That does not mean that I think government should be spending resources fighting the war on drugs, running health care, and nonsense like that.
 
I took the quiz and got 10 out of 11 questions right. Just because the statistics are much rosier than what the likes of Glen Beck would have you believe, does not mean that we should have government run more and more of our lives!

I was disappointed that none of the questions were "should the government add such-and-such new program?" or "should the government continue such-and-such existing program"?

These people who run governmentisgood.com want me to believe that everythin government does is good and efficient, and I'm not buying it. Nice try though.
You did not answer my first question.

I do not think that government can do no wrong; far from it.

This is only for discussion.

People need to realize that we need (and take for granted) many of the things that government entities provide daily.
 
Ha ha , I took the quiz before you had a chance to ask me if I took the quiz. 😛

I'm not biased against government. I'm aware there are things that government must do (minting coins) and some things government should do (public schools). That does not mean that I think government should be spending resources fighting the war on drugs, running health care, and nonsense like that.
The war on drugs is probably one of most colossal failures of any government program in history.

Of course, no politician has the courage to take on that fight, and call it what it is.

I just read this piece on the subject. It is from an Oklahoma (I picked it up while traveling) perspective, but it is true for most states.
 
Gov is at its best when they stay out of peoples business. Look at history, Gov when run amok fails it people. There is nothing "Good" about our current form of government. Our forefathers would have a differing opinion of that site and would be rolling in their graves if they could witness the absurdity the gov has become (for decades). If one wants to depend on gov for everything and protect them from themselves then thats not "Good" either. I would much rather choose freedom and liberty.
 
Heres just a small sample of why are present day gov isnt "Good".

1…They don’t read trillion dollar bills.
2…They often topic-shift, demean or demonize instead of answering questions.
3…They vote themselves raises and more perks like their HC Plan I can’t get.
4…They will not seal our border.
5…They want to give illegal aliens free HC on my VISA.

6…They 4x the debt in a year and told me it would save the economy.
7…They rushed to borrow 2 trillion for TARP-STIM which historically never works.
8…They rush to pass huge bills without posting them online as promised.
9…They act arrogant and resentful when asked simple questions.
10..They play sneaky voting games like voice votes, not showing up, trading votes or switching votes.

11..They think 40 years in congress is preferential to 2-3 terms of honest service to country.
12..They retire at a lavish level then go work as lobbyists for even more money “in the bubbleâ€.
13..They find ways to hide wasteful vote-buying pork in huge bills.
14..They prefer huge complicated Omnibus Bills to smaller bills voters can decipher.
15..They usually lie about the cost of any Plan when history tells us it will be 3-9x their “selling to the voters†price.

16..They are too cowardly to be interviewed by all TV news channels.
17..They arrogantly refuse to apologize 99% of the time when they should.
18..They usually act as of we are their servants instead of visa versa.
19..They often have rude dipsticks on their staff to answer voter questions or disagreements.
20..They act as if repeating their actual voting record is a smear campaign.

21..They bus people to polls with completed sample ballots but cry when others organize to oppose their secular socialism.
22..They often snuggle up to or praise foreign thugs and the moral midgets of Hollyweird.
23..They act after constant polling-focus groups instead of on solid consistent principles.
24..They find creative ways to avoid taxes or a green lifestyle while harping on us selfish wasteful voters.
25..They have an approval rating mostly below 20% but claim to “speak for America†week after week on many topics.

26..They are out of touch with real America and prefer that to real service.
27..They seem terrified of fairly debating why their Bill or belief or principle is the way to go.
28..They often work with the biased press to spin reality into fiction like voters are fools.
29..They have a tendency to believe communist thug words much more than their voters.
30..They want to manage more of your life yearly when their dismal track record shows they can’t manage a hot dog stand.

31..They often deliberately ignore history, economic laws, logic, common sense and human nature.
32..They would rather die than answer a simple “yes or no†voter question.
33..They want private business leader’s pay to be based on performance but not theirs for managing trillions of tax dollars.
34..They often act as if they had no part in any gov-meant failures (Fannie-Freddie, SS, etc) and look for a demon.
35..They often go into office as a principled concerned citizen and shortly morph into just another arrogant lying weasel.

36. They often assume you are also a shifty sneaky waste of skin like many of them are.
37. They often will lie then lie about the lie as the fawning gullible
no-fact-check secular socialist press believes every word.
38. They mostly stood silent as the federal gov-meant hired 78,000 new employees and 37 czars this year (so far).
39. They usually act as if their approval rating is 80% instead of 20%…case closed.
40. They forgot they are the public servants, not the voters.
 
Myths abound about government. Many are perpetuated here and other places.

With the health care reform debate heating up and the possibility of a government option, this is a good time to remind all of what Government really is and what it does.

Look at this site.

Take the quiz here to test what you really know about government.

Your post makes its point from one MHC politics professor Douglas J. Amy and yet theres a more compelling counter argument from the MHC economics professor James E. Hartley "Limited Government Is Good"

Both sides of the coin can be read here.

Naturally a self described liberal politics professor would convey a more favorable view of government. Thats what they do, teach it.

Very well said by Hartley:

If we want to understand conservatives’ arguments about government, we need to think about the American experiment itself. Governments that do too much are oppressive. That observation was, of course, at the heart of the American revolution.

America was designed to be a place where government was limited, where government had an important role to play, but was not meant to be the solution to all social problems.
 
The war on drugs is probably one of most colossal failures of any government program in history.

Of course, no politician has the courage to take on that fight, and call it what it is.

I just read this piece on the subject. It is from an Oklahoma (I picked it up while traveling) perspective, but it is true for most states.


I think welfare is the money winner.....war on drugs was a game for the plebe's....
 
The idea of this thread was not to promote more government. I just wanted to point out that many take for granted what government does for us that we do not realize.

There are many more things that government does good and right, than they do wrong.

Of course, those get no publicity.
 
The idea of this thread was not to promote more government. I just wanted to point out that many take for granted what government does for us that we do not realize.

There are many more things that government does good and right, than they do wrong.

Of course, those get no publicity.


From this vantage point looks like you support everything from the Government.......

Cradle to Grave comes to mind...... :blink:

No slander.......just an observation.
 
The idea of this thread was not to promote more government. I just wanted to point out that many take for granted what government does for us that we do not realize.

There are many more things that government does good and right, than they do wrong.

Of course, those get no publicity.
Of course there has to be some form of government and when it works to protects our freedom, liberty and security, then all is well. But when politicians side step and pursue their own agenda and start telling us what we need rather then letting us choose, then thats were problems arise.
 
From this vantage point looks like you support everything from the Government.......

Cradle to Grave comes to mind...... :blink:

No slander.......just an observation.
If I could change one thing in government right now that would save tons of money, it would be the federal contracting process.

I don't have time to explain it here, suffice it say it is probably one of the biggest reasons that it costs the government more to do anything. The reason for this is that people like you demand accountability and fairness. That comes with a price. Everything has to be open and documented. Contracts have to be available for minorities, small businesses, etc. Very often, contracts go to people who cannot do the best job. That ends up costing more money in the end.

I do support government.

Cradle to grave is a reality. Government was involved in your birth, and will be involved in when you die. Think about that...

Keep in mind that government includes city, state and federal.
 
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