Health Care Reform

[Freedom4all]

Facts: Good resource for Medical Insurance Reform information is from the CATO institute.

"Massachusetts Miracle or Massachusetts Miserable: What the Failure of the "Massachusetts Model" Tells Us about Health Care Reform," Briefing Paper no. 112, June 9, 2009.

"Obamacare to Come: Seven Bad Ideas for Health Care Reform," Policy Analysis no. 638, May 21, 2009.

"A Fork in the Road: Obama, McCain, and Health Care," Briefing Paper no. 104, July 29, 2008.

"The Grass Is Not Always Greener: A Look at National Health Care Systems Around the World," Policy Analysis no. 613, March 18, 2008.

Very prophetic articles, look at the disaster that happened in Mass
"No Miracle in Massachusetts: Why Governor Romney's Health Care Reform Won't Work," Briefing Paper no. 97, June 6, 2006.

"Individual Mandates for Health Insurance: Slippery Slope to National Health Care," Policy Analysis no. 565, April 5, 2006.

"Will Obama Raise Middle-Class Taxes to Fund Health Care?," by Michael D. Tanner and Chris Edwards, Tax & Budget Bulletin no. 57, June 2009. (PDF, 38kb., 2 pp)

"Obamacare's Bait & Switch," New York Post, August 20, 2009

"Who Are the Uninsured?," Philadelphia Inquirer, August 20, 2009

"What Health Care "Reform" Would Mean For Montana," Cato.org, August 14, 2009

"Obama Kills Health Competition," New York Post, August 13, 2009

"Senate Deal: Change a Few Names," New York Post, July 30, 2009

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[Freedom4all]

The Federal Government in its configuration is false and has no credibility. So given that fact where does this debate go from here?

What will happen is that the Dems will have to drop it in its current form or face extinction in the 2010 elections (if its not to late already). Rewrite in a more partisian fashion with the ideas that were based around these here.

• Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits. Now employer health insurance benefits are fully tax deductible, but individual health insurance is not. This is unfair.

• Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines. We should all have the legal right to purchase health insurance from any insurance company in any state and we should be able use that insurance wherever we live. Health insurance should be portable.

• Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover. These mandates have increased the cost of health insurance by billions of dollars. What is insured and what is not insured should be determined by individual customer preferences and not through special-interest lobbying.

• Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. These costs are passed back to us through much higher prices for health care.

• Make costs transparent so that consumers understand what health-care treatments cost. How many people know the total cost of their last doctor's visit and how that total breaks down? What other goods or services do we buy without knowing how much they will cost us?

• Enact Medicare reform. We need to face up to the actuarial fact that Medicare is heading towards bankruptcy and enact reforms that create greater patient empowerment, choice and responsibility.

• Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who have no insurance and aren't covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

 

[delldude]

I will not let false statements go unchecked.

There is far too much of that in this debate.

You will be called to prove them.

You cannot shout me down here. The truth is the truth, and is very easy to prove.

False statements catch up with you in the end and lessen credibility.

Yes we've seen the Blah Blah Blah mundane rants,waa waa to Ralph over absolutely stupid mundane meaningless issues that until what I've described are inarguable at this point...Post on my friend.....take a couple vic's and call me in the morning.....

Tell me more about these talking points you insanely accused me of....

Sounds like someone needs an intervention.....

Ooo yeah baby........

Want me to call Ralph for you?

 

[delldude]

I will not let false statements go unchecked.

There is far too much of that in this debate.

You will be called to prove them.

You cannot shout me down here. The truth is the truth, and is very easy to prove.

False statements catch up with you in the end and lessen credibility.

And what do you do about the Obama continual misstatements?

Oops.............should have known.............

 

[tech2101]

take a couple vic's and call me in the morning.....

Do you feel better now my friend?

 

[Freedom4all]

Detailed Analysis On the House Democrats Bill

A detailed analysis of the Democrats’ government-run plan makes clear it breaks a number of President Obama’s promises. Here are just a few examples:

• Pages 116-128; Sections 221-225 – The House Democrats’ bill establishes a new government-run health plan that, according to nonpartisan actuaries at the Lewin Group, would cause as many as 114 million Americans to lose their existing coverage. Moving these Americans from their current plan into a government-run plan violates the President’s oft-stated promise that “if you like your current coverage, you can keep it.†Both the Associated Press and ABC News have already debunked this pledge, noting that White House officials have acknowledged the President’s rhetoric shouldn’t be taken “literally.â€

• Pages 331-333; Section 1161 – President Obama has said repeatedly that nobody is talking about cutting Medicare when it comes to health care reform. But the fact is that nearly 11 million seniors who choose Medicare Advantage plans, will lose that coverage as a result of the $160 billion in cuts in the House Democrats’ bill. Moreover, an independent analysis of the House Democrats’ bill shows the legislation makes a total of $361.9 billion in Medicare cuts. That means fewer choices and lower health care quality for our nation’s seniors.

• Pages 167-179; Section 401 – President Obama repeatedly promised not to raise taxes on those who make less than $200,000 (singles) or $250,000 (married couples). The tax on Americans without government-approved health insurance in the House Democrats’ bill directly violates that promise.

• Pages 167-179; Section 401 – At least four of the President’s specific tax pledges would be broken by the House Democrats’ government takeover of health care. Specifically, the President pledged that (1) “no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase,†and that families making more than $250,000 will (2) “pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in the 1990s,†(3) be subject to a “new [higher] top capital gains rate of 20 percent†and (4) have a dividends tax rate “set at 20 percent.†Yet, the Democrats’ bill imposes an individual mandate that would raise taxes on some American families earning less than $250,000, imposes a national small business tax (in conjunction with the President’s expiration of lower marginal rates) that will take the top federal tax rate well above where it was in the 1990s, and applies the national small business tax to capital gains and dividends sending those tax rates to 25.4 percent and 45 percent respectively.

• Pages 823-835; Section 1802 – The House Democrats’ bill would establish a new tax on every health insurance policy to fund a government board. This new tax will increase the cost of health insurance for every American not on Medicare or Medicaid, regardless of income.

 

[tech2101]

This post concerns the The Purchase of Insurance Across State Lines that arose in another thread.

I think it is more appropriate to discuss it here than on the abortion coverage thread.

Link to post.

 

[delldude]

Do you feel better now my friend?

Not at all.....I haven't been taking my Med's because my program is already mirroring the Obamacare plan and the treatment and the Med's cost more than just wigging out all the time.
Welcome to my Obama socialized medical care...... :mf_boff: :bleh: :rant:

 

[tech2101]

I haven't been taking my Med's

Try this. I have found it helps.

View attachment 8546

:mellow:

 

[delldude]

Do you feel better now my friend?

I will not let false statements go unchecked.

There is far too much of that in this debate.

You will be called to prove them.

You cannot shout me down here. The truth is the truth, and is very easy to prove.

False statements catch up with you in the end and lessen credibility.

So tell us of Obama and his continual lies,misstatements and contradictions that have been commented about in many media forms?

I bet you didn't notice........

 

[tech2101]

So tell us of Obama and his continual lies,misstatements and contradictions that have been commented about in many media forms?

I bet you didn't notice........

I have noticed a couple of them lately.

In particular how abortion will not be funded. He cannot say that for sure.

Also, the part where people can keep the coverage they have now. That is the case, if the employer does not decide to drop the insurance and let people go it alone. Of course, that is happening now as the cost of plans skyrocket, employers are dropping coverage for their employees. It will continue to happen unless costs are reigned in.

I think that covers the 2 biggest misstatements.

 

[Freedom4all]

Republicans Have Offered Three Alternative Health Care Reform Bills

President Barack Obama and Democrats in Congress -- while pushing their own health care overhauls -- have criticized Republicans as offering only opposition and no ideas for reform, but the GOP, despite the lack of media attention, has introduced three health care bills.

The three Republican bills total almost 400 pages and have been on the table since May and June.

In May, Republicans in the House and the Senate formed a bicameral coalition to produce the 130-page “Patients Choice Act of 2009.â€￾

In June, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) introduced the “Health Care Freedom Plan,â€￾ a 41-page proposal.

And in July, the Republican Study Committee, under the leadership of Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), unveiled the “Empowering Patients First Act,â€￾ a 130-page plan.

Some of the provisions included in one or more of the bills include: investing in preventive medicine, an overhaul of Medicaid, reduction of abuse and fraud in the Medicare program, supplemental health insurance for low-income families, tax credits for health insurance, and a ban on federal funds being used for abortions.

 

[tech2101]

Republicans Have Offered Three Alternative Health Care Reform Bills

None of those links work.

Why were these plans not presented under the Republican President, with a Republican Congress in the majority???

Maybe because they did not really want them to pass???

 

[tech2101]

Maybe because they knowthe majority of Americans want NOTHING to do with government run Health Care.

Those were Republican proposals Bob. I am quite sure they do not have any provision for government run health care.

My question still stands. Why didn't these proposals come out when they had the Presidency and the Majority in both houses of congress?

 

[Freedom4all]

Those were Republican proposals Bob. I am quite sure they do not have any provision for government run health care.

My question still stands. Why didn't these proposals come out when they had the Presidency and the Majority in both houses of congress?

It is Obamacare that is the discussion at hand. There's a distinction between insurance reform and government takeover. Blame Bush is no longer a relevent excuse for the obvious flaws in the Obamacare proposals.