Health Care Reform

[Freedom4all]

(New Video) Krugman: Public Option Will Kill Private Insurance

And so here, once again, is our gregarious friend from the NY Times, Paul Krugman, speaking about healthcare reform. This is a segment from an interview which aired on Democracy Now! in October 2007. Note that the video begins with a short clip of Hillary Clinton, as to highlight certain similarities with President Obama’s healthcare pitch. Watch: VIDEO LINK

You have to admit: Hillary’s pitch sounds much better coming from Obama. And the founding father of ObamaCare, John Edwards, should get some credit too.

And of course by now, there really should be no doubt that the public option was conceived by liberals as a politically viable way to implement a single payer system over time. The fact that the White House continues their misinformation campaign over this reflects a shocking disregard for the truth. And ultimately utter contempt for all Americans who are opposed to a single payer system.

But here is the more interesting point I wanted to make on this. Paul Krugman is a well-known economist who writes regularly for the NY Times. The fact that almost 2 years ago Krugman so willingly conceded information that conservatives have had to dig to uncover is a damning indictment of the bias and/or incompetence of the media.


By way of contrast, watch Paul Krugman towards the end of this ABC interview from last weekend call the arguments against the public option “sheer nonsenseâ€￾: VIDEO LINK

 

[Garfield1966]

Screed by healthcare? Time to change doctors perhaps? My healthcare is great. I have access to some of the top doctors and specialists in the nation. UCLA Med Group. If your unhappy with yours then find a better one.

Obamacare isn't going to make your doctor, a better doctor.

My doctor is fine. It's the system that is FUBAR.

 

[Freedom4all]

My doctor is fine. It's the system that is FUBAR.

Huh? What system is that? Medical System? Insurance System?

 

[delldude]

So it appears all in all the big rush to get this rammed through without looking into it has a lot to do with Obama lying over and holding up finance and economic related forecasts that were due out a few weeks ago.....forecasts that bear out what CBO said last March.

No money.....costs too much.....not a national priority......pass it now then worry about how to pay for it.....oh....he said it will be self funded or how they put it....cost neutral just like medicare....

Why is it so important and necessary to ram this through? Why?

 

[Garfield1966]

Huh? What system is that? Medical System? Insurance System?

Yes too both.

 

[Freedom4all]

Yes too both.

Both? Are you kidding me? We have the best quality medical care in the world. If your not getting the best care where your at then go find it. I had some crappy doctors in the past and I dumped them like a rock.

Obamacare isnt going to improve the quality of care. If your doctor is no good then go find a better one.

 

[Garfield1966]

Sure, if you are rich, or have excellent health insurance it's great. Just hope you you don't get an 'expensive' illness which your insurance company does not want to pay for.

See first sentence of post #100.

 

[Freedom4all]

Reid Says Co-ops Might Be Public Option

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-NY, told reporters Thursday that a system of nonprofit cooperatives could pass as a "public option," or government-run health care, depending on how they are set up.

"We're going to have some type of public option, call it 'co-op', call it what you want," Reid said, adding that Democrats are working on "some verison of a co-op that may satisfy everyone."

 

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[Freedom4all]

More socialized medicine nightmares...

Man collapses with ruptured appendix... three weeks after NHS doctors 'took it out'

DailyMail- After weeks of excruciating pain, Mark Wattson was understandably relieved to have his appendix taken out.

Doctors told him the operation was a success and he was sent home.

But only a month later the 35-year-old collapsed in agony and had to be taken back to Great Western Hospital in Swindon by ambulance.

To his shock, surgeons from the same team told him that not only was his appendix still inside him, but it had ruptured - a potentially fatal complication.

In a second operation it was finally removed, leaving Mr Wattson fearing another organ might have been taken out during the first procedure.

The blunder has left Mr Wattson jobless, as bosses at the shop where he worked did not believe his story and sacked him.

Mr Wattson told of the moment he realised there had been a serious mistake.

'I was lying on a stretcher in terrible pain and a doctor came up to me and said that my appendix had burst,' he said.

'I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I told these people I had my appendix out just four weeks earlier but there it was on the scanner screen for all to see.

'I thought, "What the hell did they slice me open for in the first place?"

Compensation payments to NHS patients have risen by 20 per cent in the past year to a record high of £769million. At this rate more than £2million a day is being paid over claims against the Health Service.

 

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[tech2101]

Health bill would cost $829B, help cover 94 pct

The Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday that the latest version of the Senate Finance Committee proposal would expand coverage to 94 percent of all eligible Americans at a 10-year cost of $829 billion.

The budget umpires added that the legislation would reduce federal deficits by $81 billion over a decade and could lead to continued reductions in federal red ink in the years beyond.

 

[cltrat]

surely you don't believe that?? when has a government cost prediction EVER been right?

 

[Freedom4all]

surely you don't believe that?? when has a government cost prediction EVER been right?

By 1990, rather than costing American taxpayers $12 billion, Medicare cost $107 billion — an increase of 800% over the government’s best guess at the program’s cost 23 years before.

That cost has increased exponentially as the years have passed since 1990. This year, $484 billion will be spent on mandatory Medicare outlays; by 2018, that number will be $885.1 billion, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

The total amount owed Medicare beneficiaries (American workers who are at least 22 years old and who have paid into the system, meaning they are due Medicare coverage upon retirement) is a staggering $32.3 trillion, an amount over twice America’s GDP, and nearly five times the publicized national debt.

 

[Freedom4all]

Health bill would cost $829B, help cover 94 pct

Point of order counsler...

The CBO scored the concepts described by the Baucus Committee. There is no legislative text. None. Baucus and his Democratic colleagues refused to reduce their concepts to actual legislation prior to a vote.

Here is the CBO's disclaimer: CBO and JCT’s analysis is preliminary in large part because the Chairman’s mark, as amended, has not yet been embodied in legislative language.

The proposal also would establish new insurance exchanges and would subsidize the purchase of health insurance through those exchanges for individuals and families with income between 100 percent and 400 percent of the federal poverty level.:huh: