Health Care

[MetalMover]

Its so sad to watch someone who has been screwed over by Corporate America lash out at Illegal immigrants who are even more exploited than him. He blames the liberals for Illegal aliens when its the Conservatives who keep them illegal, thus easier to exploit. Its the Conservatives who actively encourage and support a Foreign policy where we create and foster miserable conditions in these peoples homelands that drive them to our country. We suppress land and other reforms in those countries and keep criminals in power who allow American Interests (corporations) to steal their resources, our Banks impose loan shark like interest rates that keep them in perpetual debt and prevent them from providing even basic societal services. But blaming the rich and powerful may have consequences and its so much easier to blames the ills of society on those who cant fight back.

And here I am hoping that the Obama administration would have put the brakes on outsourcing the maintenance of US flag carrier aircraft to countries that you describe here.
 
At the end of the day, no matter what side of the aisle one sits, big business prevails. You may have a democrat politician who normally leans  left vote against his or her moral belief if it means his/her state loses out in terms of jobs or revenue, a different song will be sung. Same goes for a republican. 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Its so sad to watch someone who has been screwed over by Corporate America lash out at Illegal immigrants who are even more exploited than him.

I was not screwed over by Corporate America Bob. I was screwed over by self-serving TWU officers.  We discussed this before.  They “helped” themselves to my paycheck every 2 weeks in the name of “helping” me while the company benefited. Their modus operandi mirrors the Democratic Party they champion and fund so well (with OUR UNION dues).
 
What exploitation are you talking about Bob? Is it the part were illegals are breaking federal and state laws without paying any consequences, the part where they get benefits of American society without paying taxes, the part where we accommodate them with specialized foreign language speaking classrooms and other public services at taxpayer cost, or the part where they are getting free healthcare at the expense of the American citizen and insurance companies.
 
You have to protect those “victims” right Bob? 
 
Pathetic.
 

He blames the liberals for Illegal aliens when its the Conservatives who keep them illegal, thus easier to exploit.

Don’t give me fabrications about The United States suppressing immigration. The US takes on more LEGAL immigrants than any other country in the world. That is a fact. That might work on the liberal sheep Bob but I know better.
 

 Its the Conservatives who actively encourage and support a Foreign policy where we create and foster miserable conditions in these peoples homelands that drive them to our country. We suppress land and other reforms in those countries and keep criminals in power who allow American Interests (corporations) to steal their resources, our Banks impose loan shark like interest rates that keep them in perpetual debt and prevent them from providing even basic societal services.

Which falls into the liberal philosophy that Democrats push so hard that America is “evil” and that we have a debt to our "victims" all over the world. We should let others walk all over us in our own country to atone for our sins.
 
Democrats are really good at inventing "victims" when it serves their wallet.
 
First off all 3 branches of government play a role in foreign policy. Second, the President and the executive branch have the most significant role in making foreign policy and are responsible for carrying it out. I would say foreign policy is more of a bi-partisan topic.
 
Who owes the US money Bob? Back up your claim.
 
When money leaves the United States it is aid. When money comes into the United States it is debt.
 

But blaming the rich and powerful may have consequences and its so much easier to blames the ills of society on those who cant fight back.

Propaganda. I see people on here slam the rich and powerful every day. I don’t see them paying any consequences for doing so Bob.  That is something you are fabricating.  Typical Democrat strategy, when you don’t have anything, make something up.
 
They don’t have to fight back Bob. The self-serving Democratic Party is doing it for them just fine to win votes. New York is actually introducing legislation to allow undocumented illegals voting rights. Democrats are pandering to people committing voter fraud today (which is why they fight voter ID laws so hard), tomorrow it will be illegal citizens that liberals extended voting rights to.
 
http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/nyc-lawmakers-consider-allowing-non-citizen-i
 
The biggest joke of all is Mayor Bloomberg says he is against such legislation. Give me a break.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

And here I am hoping that the Obama administration would have put the brakes on outsourcing the maintenance of US flag carrier aircraft to countries that you describe here.
 
At the end of the day, no matter what side of the aisle one sits, big business prevails. You may have a democrat politician who normally leans  left vote against his or her moral belief if it means his/her state loses out in terms of jobs or revenue, a different song will be sung. Same goes for a republican. 

Well at least we can agree on that.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You come off as a belligerent angry little man and no you still have not connected the dots for what was previously being discussed.

I rather be a belligerent than a docile sheep.
You will find their are a lot of people angry about a socialist healthcare system being forced on the American people. I am not unique. Americans are tired of paying the price for liberal foolishness.
This is not about the government wanting to provide healthcare for all it's citizens. This is about government power over our lives and the government seizing control of a large portion of the US economy.
I suppose you think I should just keep my mouth shut and let the government make my health choices for me.
The liberal government agenda to seize control of a private industry should be resisted.

I think I connected the dots just fine. I think you are just showing your stupidity again. If not enlighten me.
http://blog.al.com/wire/2012/02/alabama_georgia_immigration_la.html
http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/07/2_years_after_immigration_laws.html
 

Knock your self out with the personal attacts if it makes you feel better about your self. I could not care less about you or your rants.

If you don't care then why respond?
You call it a personal attack. I call it drawing attention to a self destructive way of thinking and your incoherent thought process.
Just remember when Obamacare causes your cost to soar and the quality of your medical care to go down it was your liberal, socialist way of thinking that got you there.
 
"You Voted For It"  My answer when you question the price you paid (both monetary and lack of quality) for your socialized healthcare. 
"They Can Do That"  What the hospital is going to say when the government denies treatment to patients
"We Will Get Them Next Time" What Democrats will say when they blame Republicans for why Americans can't get decent healthcare after they FORCED Obamacare on them

 

[Bob Owens]

What exploitation are you talking about Bob? Is it the part were illegals are breaking federal and state laws without paying any consequences, the part where they get benefits of American society without paying taxes, the part where we accommodate them with specialized foreign language speaking classrooms and other public services at taxpayer cost, or the part where they are getting free healthcare at the expense of the American citizen and insurance companies.
 

What you seem to forget is that the law states that every employer must verify that their employees are legal to work here and collect taxes and turn in taxes from their paychecks. So everyone that hires an illegal is committing a crime. You seem to forget that. Cant believe you are actually trying to defend the Insurance Companies, just goes to show why the working class is so screwed.
 
 

Don’t give me fabrications about The United States suppressing immigration. The US takes on more LEGAL immigrants than any other country in the world. That is a fact. That might work on the liberal sheep Bob but I know better.
 

I said that our government suppresses reforms in other countries which is what drives them across our Borders. Sure we accept a lot of immigrants, it helps them keep wages low. I say stop supporting corrupt foreign dictators and allow people in other countries to run their country without interference from us and maybe we would have so many immigrants.
 

Which falls into the liberal philosophy that Democrats push so hard that America is “evil” and that we have a debt to our "victims" all over the world. We should let others walk all over us in our own country to atone for our sins.
 

No
 

First off all 3 branches of government play a role in foreign policy. Second, the President and the executive branch have the most significant role in making foreign policy and are responsible for carrying it out. I would say foreign policy is more of a bi-partisan topic
 

.Never said it wasn't, you are the one making this a party issue.
 

Who owes the US money Bob? Back up your claim.
 

Not the United States people, Banks based in the US who claim no Nationality but use the American Military as their private security force.
 
http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock
 
http://data.worldbank.org/sites/default/files/ids-2013.pdf
 
http://cadtm.org/The-debt-in-developing-countries-a
 
http://www.globalissues.org/article/225/a-silent-war-the-devastating-impact-of-debt-on-the-poor
 
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/globdebt.htm

 

[MCI transplant]

Tell you what, Bob, Let's just adopt Mexico's immigration Law's! Seems fair to me! What say you?

 

[Bob Owens]

Tell you what, Bob, Let's just adopt Mexico's immigration Law's! Seems fair to me! What say you?

Sure, right after we adopt their foreign policy and pull all our troops out of all those countries.

 

[MCI transplant]

Sure, right after we adopt their foreign policy and pull all our troops out of all those countries.

Out of what countries Bob?----Afghanistan? Obama says we're on our way out! He wouldn't lie to us now would he?

 

[Bob Owens]

Out of what countries Bob?----Afghanistan? Obama says we're on our way out! He wouldn't lie to us now would he?

http://militarybases.com/

Look at all the bases in Germany. They have a very strong economy and can afford their own military, with the money they don't spend on the Military their people get government paid for college or Vocational school, free medical and a minimum of five weeks vacation along with at least a Dozen "Bank Holidays".

 

[JAFA]

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http://militarybases.com/

Look at all the bases in Germany. They have a very strong economy and can afford their own military, with the money they don't spend on the Military their people get government paid for college or Vocational school, free medical and a minimum of five weeks vacation along with at least a Dozen "Bank Holidays".

Um, what does the government have to do with how much vacation a private employer offers. This is simple, you want 5 weeks vacation, persnally I'd like to see 7, but that's me, refuse any employment offer that does not include it. If the employer, or perspective employer, can't get someone of your caliber or better without offering it then you'll get it. If they can then your demand was not reasonable within the current labor market.

As for a dozen bank holidays, frankly I think we have too many already. As much as I enjoye getting "my" holidays off, why should "my" holidays be encoded into law in a country whose constituion specifically forbids respecting or establishing religion?

 

[Bob Owens]

uUm, what does the government have to do with how much vacation a private employer offers. This is simple, you want 5 weeks vacation, persnally I'd like to see 7, but that's me, refuse any employment offer that does not include it. If the employer, or perspective employer, can't get someone of your caliber or better without offering it then you'll get it. If they can then your demand was not reasonable within the current labor market.

As for a dozen bank holidays, frankly I think we have too many already. As much as I enjoye getting "my" holidays off, why should "my" holidays be encoded into law in a country whose constituion specifically forbids respecting or establishing religion?

The Government mandates minimums. They can get more, but not just one week per year because the employer was able to buy off some Union officials who then lead their membership off a cliff. As far as the Holidays well that's you, and you obviously don't work under this deal if you think we have too many, only one Holiday-Christmas can be considered a Religious one although more celebrate the day than would claim they are Religious, the other days, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thankgiving and New years aren't tied to any particular Religion, neither are most of the Bank Holidays in Europe.

The point is that with the money they don't spend on the military their society supports a higher standard of living than ours, their system can provide them with Universal Healthcare as well.

 

[MCI transplant]

As for the economic advantage that these countries have been receiving, and enjoying, over the years, you may have a point. But economic considerations may not be the sole, or even main, reason to keep our troops there. One of the few things the Constitutions mandates is to provide protection of our citizens. And if that means keeping troops in places over seas, so be it! And you, or I, are not in a position to make those decisions! But your claim that they are here solely at the bidding of the big Banks, is totally off the mark!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

As for the economic advantage that these countries have been receiving, and enjoying, over the years, you may have a point. But economic considerations may not be the sole, or even main, reason to keep our troops there. One of the few things the Constitutions mandates is to provide protection of our citizens. And if that means keeping troops in places over seas, so be it! But I, or you, are not in a position to make those decisions! But your claim that they are here solely at the bidding of the big Banks, is totally off the mark!!!

Protect Americans from whom? Doesn't Germany have their own Police to protect people? Are American more at risk in Germany than they are in Ireland? If not then why not have troops in Ireland too? We have Embassy's in both, isn't that enough? The fact is that the people who send our troops all over the world admit that they aren't there to protect American citizens, they are there to protect "American Interests". Can you define what "American Interests" are?

 

[MCI transplant]

Well, I've got to say one thing here, they sure didn't protect anyone in Benghazi now did they? But who's watch did this happen on?

 

[Force Majeure]

I come here to read about AA health care and some idiot is posting about Benghazi?