Health Care

[bigjets]

that is incorrect.
Multiple polls leading up to the 2012 elections showed that the majority of Americans did not approve of Obamacare.
It just didn't become the sole focus of the election but it was not like by a majority then and its popularity has declined since. Those are simply facts based on published polls.

There is no easy way to take a high quality, private pay system that the US has had for most health care and convert it to a system with much greater government control in a country where independence is part of a market of the American psyche. The US government also takes up a smaller portion of the GDP than most other large industrialized nations which makes it very hard to add a program of the magnitude of Obamacare. Add in that any program that reduces benefits for the majority of people while benefiting a minority are never going to be popular in a democracy and there is no easy fix for the US' health care system.

I have no idea how it will all turn out and I am not at all saying change shouldn't be attempted but it is also possible that Obamacare could be swept into history as a failed experiment which the majority of American people simply won't support.

Who knows....

If you paid attention fauxnews polls, and they meant something, Mitt would be president. What about Karl Roves white board, Mitt is president according to that bit of mathematics. But in the real world polls get the numbers it wants. Try to remember Roger Ailes runs foxnews and remember where he came from, hardly an unbiased guy. But he does have a great eye for blonde news presenters.


interesting article

Conservative media should apologize to their viewers: "On the biggest political story of the year, the conservative media just got its ass handed to it" by Nate Silver, says Conor Friedersdorf at The Atlantic. Bucking Silver's perfectly reasonable conclusions, Fox News luminaries like Karl Rove and Dick Morris predicted a big victory for Romney. The result? Conservative voters went into the election at an "information disadvantage," leaving baffled Romney supporters asking: "Why were we the last to realize that things were going wrong for us?"
"How conservative media lost to the MSM and failed the rank and file"

http://theweek.com/article/index/236040/do-republicans-owe-nate-silver-an-apology

 

[MCI transplant]

Well, that's all good information. When your wrong, your wrong!----- And if stated, I'm wrong! This would only apply if you worked a lot of O.T., and your wife made more than you! I don't know about the O.T. But in today's economy, the second is becoming more common place!----- Something to think about!------ " Democracy is two wolfs and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."------ Benjamin Franklin

Don't be shocked! I admitted I was wrong! "Almost!" This might not effect the average AA Amt, but It might effect some of the pilots, and maybe even " eolesen "!!!! ------And yes, even my little grass shake, on the beach, in the V.I.( all though that's not saying a whole lot at this point in time!)

 

[OldGuy@AA]

If my wife and I combined made more than a quarter of a million dollars, which is the minimum for the tax, I don't think I'd be that concerned. But you know how people with lots of money think. All they want is more money. And before you start feeling bad for the "Poor pilots". Remember that the poor AMTs paid double the medical premiums than the poor pilots paid for many years. Also remember the 14% company paid 401K that they don't have to match. I doubt you'll see a captain on a 777 looking for a second job to make ends meet.

 

[MCI transplant]

If my wife and I combined made more than a quarter of a million dollars, which is the minimum for the tax, I don't think I'd be that concerned. But you know how people with lots of money think. All they want is more money. And before you start feeling bad for the "Poor pilots". Remember that the poor AMTs paid double the medical premiums than the poor pilots paid for many years. Also remember the 14% company paid 401K that they don't have to match. I doubt you'll see a captain on a 777 looking for a second job to make ends meet.

Agreed!! My point was there is so many regulations to this new law that "nobody" really knows all the ramifications of it! And from what's come out of it so far, is only the tip of the iceberg! It hasn't even been fully implemented!------- From Obama's home town, business as usual! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/30/chicago-way-illinois-officials-under-fire-for-obamacare-contracts/

 

[WorldTraveler]

If you paid attention fauxnews polls, and they meant something, Mitt would be president. What about Karl Roves white board, Mitt is president according to that bit of mathematics. But in the real world polls get the numbers it wants. Try to remember Roger Ailes runs foxnews and remember where he came from, hardly an unbiased guy. But he does have a great eye for blonde news presenters.

except we are gauging public sentiment regarding public policy, not predicting elections.

Most interesting is that Obama is now in the position in Syria of doing the exact same thing he condemned Bush of doing - and I haven't seen how the public sentiment shakes out on that one but their perspective on Bush's military actions soured considerably with time.

suppose there is something about fickle Americans thinking something will be easy to accomplish and then when they find out what is involved, they aren't so sure any more?

 

[Thomas Paine]

3.1M young adults insured, but >10M young adults under-employed as a result....

Went to the mall Sunday. Most shops used to open at 1000, but now open at noon, because they've cut back on part-timers hours. Some are now closing on Sundays.

Yep, it's good we have health care for the extra 5% who gained access, but it is clearly coming at the expense of employment.

Ask people if they'd rather have an income, or access to insurance... I already know the answer to that one.

The old false "this will cost jobs threat". That we have to choose poverty with working or poverty without working.

Stores closed on Sundays, I would think you would favor that. I recall when most stores were were closed on Sundays and would favor a return to that.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Agreed!! My point was there is so many regulations to this new law that "nobody" really knows all the ramifications of it! And from what's come out of it so far, is only the tip of the iceberg! It hasn't even been fully implemented!------- From Obama's home town, business as usual! http://www.foxnews.c...care-contracts/

I will not try to argue that it is a perfect law. It is not. But congress could improve it if they would stop with the games. Big business is now getting involved and screwing employees "Because of Obamacare". Cutting worker's hours and denying benefits to spouses. But don't worry, I'm sure the insurance industry will make record profits again this year as well as the companies that are screwing their employees like UPS.

 

[enough already]

Longshoremen dump the AFL-CIO because of Obamacare...
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/01/Citing-Obamacare-40-000-Longshoremen-Quit-the-AFL-CIO

 

[MCI transplant]

I will not try to argue that it is a perfect law. It is not. But congress could improve it if they would stop with the games. Big business is now getting involved and screwing employees "Because of Obamacare". Cutting worker's hours and denying benefits to spouses. But don't worry, I'm sure the insurance industry will make record profits again this year as well as the companies that are screwing their employees like UPS.

OldGuy------Can 40,000 Longshoremen be wrong???

 

[BigMac]

The International Longshore and Warehouse Union has cut ties with the AFL-CIO, citing in part the private-sector union's support for ObamaCare and immigration reform.

In an August 29 letterto AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, leaders of the 40,000-member union said they have become "increasingly frustrated" with the federation's policy positions on such matters as immigration and health care reform.

"We feel the federation has done a great disservice to the labor movement and all working people," wrote Robert McEllrath, president of the San Francisco-based ILWU.

McEllrath said his union supports the single-payer, nationalized healthcare policy while the AFL-CIO backs Obama's tax on its so-called "Cadillac" healthcare plan, according to Breitbart.com, which first reported the story.

"President Obama ran on a platform that he would not tax medical plans and at the 2009 AFL-CIO Convention, you stated that labor would not stand for a tax on our benefits," the letter states.

The letter also states both groups have historically supported comprehensive immigration reform with a clear path to citizenship and protecting undocumented workers from deportation and being fired.

"However, the immigration bill you recently asked us to support imposes extremely long waiting periods on the path to citizenship ... ." the letter states.

The group acknowledges its short and rocky relationship with the CIO, getting kicked out for being "too red" during the anti-labor, McCarthy era and rejoining as late as 1998, after the AFL-CIO merger.

In the letter, McEllrath also thanked the AFL-CIO for help in a 2002 labor-contract negotiation.

 

[Kev3188]

Good for the ILWU, and it's refusal to "go along to get along." IMO, this is exactly the kind of change/taking a stand that the rank and file in America is hungry for.

 

[700UW]

The IAM should leave the AFL-CIO also.

 

[MCI transplant]

Conservatives don't like this Law! Liberals don't either! ------ Yes, for different reasons, but this is a "train wreak" in motion! Oct.1st! is the day the premiums go up for those that have to go to exchanges for coverage! And the day the Insurance companies start wrecking in the cash!!!! ------- Thank you Obama, Palosi, and Senator Reed! The Insurance Industry thanks you!

 

[MCI transplant]

If a Company as rich as IBM will be doing this, do you really believe AA, and others won't? But than again, for AA retirees, it may be an improvement!------Sad!!! Welcome to the new norm! http://www.foxnews.c...test=latestnews

 

[Bob Owens]

Good for the ILWU, and it's refusal to "go along to get along." IMO, this is exactly the kind of change/taking a stand that the rank and file in America is hungry for.

I agree.