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In short,just like her, Bush and company are political opportunists and like the Dems,will do almost anything to insure party dominance and survival in the White House.It would alienate masses of Rep's if she flipped and joined the GOP.She already rubs elbows with the likes of Murdoch and Cain.One thing,you never can say never in this world anymore.
I often wish that candidates could not declare their "party" affiliations...just speak on the issues. Here in Kansas, we've seen party politics at it's best (or worst). In the last election, our Republican district attorney (Paul Morrison) wanted to run for state attorney general against the far right wing incumbent (Phill Kline), who focused pretty much on abortion clinics for his 4 years. The incumbent AG got his law license one year before the AG election in 2002. He has never tried a case to completion. The DA on the other hand has prosecuted and won several high profile cases - many with national coverage. Worked his butt off in court.

The DA knew that he could not win in the GOP primary because the far right fringe are the ones who vote in primaries....so he switched parties and ran as a democrat in the general election. In my county (a beet red republican stronghold), he won 65% of the vote. In the state overall, the incumbent lost by nearly 30 points.

Now, since the DA has two years left in his term, it was up to the GOP party leaders to appoint a DA to complete the term (since the DA won as a republican). So who do they appoint? Why the defeated AG....a man who NEVER tried a case and only became a resident of the county ONE WEEK before the appointment. 65% of the residents of a very republican county said NO to this guy as AG...and now he'll be their DA. Ain't party politics wunnerful? It's turning a "red" county a shade of purple...
 
Hillary has trouble with progressive Democrats - she's wrong on a lot of issues. I figure Edwards can take her - if Obama jumps in, it gets interesting. Assuming Edwards can generate the $$$ to stay at the table, he may be the last guy standing.

I hope so - he's the only candidate on either side that gives a rat's a$$ about working people. Hillary was too busy making sure they couldn't organize, or sail into or out of BK like US did.
 
Hillary has trouble with progressive Democrats - she's wrong on a lot of issues. I figure Edwards can take her - if Obama jumps in, it gets interesting. Assuming Edwards can generate the $$$ to stay at the table, he may be the last guy standing.

I hope so - he's the only candidate on either side that gives a rat's a$$ about working people. Hillary was too busy making sure they couldn't organize, or sail into or out of BK like US did.
Hypothetical question for you: if a candidate was VERY pro-labor, more so than any other on the ballot, but also wanted to totally ban religion, militantly enforce all borders, Allow the most massive govt intrusion into our lives in history, and eliminate the bill of rights, would you vote for him?
In other words, are you a single-issue voter, who will blindly follow someone based solely on their labor stance, regardless of their ability to govern on any other issue? Or, do you take the sum of the man as a whole on ALL the issues, and vote for what is best for the COUNTRY, not just your particular niche? (Again, just a hypothetical...)
 
Fair question, and here's your answer.

Unlike many who let their beliefs regarding single issues such as abortion or gun control determine which candidate they vote for, regardless of the candidate's position on other issues, I look at the totality of the positions.

Right now, my chief concerns are:

1. Iraq - Semites have been in strife since Abraham. Who did we think we were to alter that? The Crusaders were much more ruthless than us, and they failed after three attempts. Where we are now is either kill them all, or get out. Edwards strikes a reasonable middle ground - we can't pack up and leave today, but we need to start making arrangements to decamp. Beyond that is the practicality of what is being done to the Army and Marines. The generals have been saying for a couple years we cannot maintain the pace with our current force structure, and Bush/Rumsfeld made no attempt to remedy that. Think China, Iran and NK have not taken notice? I look for them to get rambunctious as a result. It's time to fix our forces and prepare for what's coming next.

2. Constitution - Bush and his renegade AG have shredded it. Now that we will have some oversight (so popular during the Clinton Era), I believe things will come out that will shock the American conscience.

3. A level playing field - 'Free markets' (how can they be free with corporations putting their thumbs on the political scales?) are nothing more than the laissez faire the US practiced from 1780-1930. A system that did not produce a middle class, make education available to a wide segment of America, or lead to high levels of home ownership. It took the New Deal to do that. Why? Because, replicating what the Founders did, the New Deal separated power (thus decreasing the abuse of it) and gave the laborer some say in his work life. The corporatists never forgave FDR (a traitor to his class) and have worked day and night to overturn his legacy. We are nearly there, and I believe it is time for the pendulum to swing the other way.

Edwards fits into that better than any other candidate out there. Hillary is wrong on Iraq, and as a sitting senator, did not oppose the Bush disembowelment of the Constitution. I don't even think she would tread water on working issues - see her position on the BK bill and NAFTA.
 
Fair question, and here's your answer.

Unlike many who let their beliefs regarding single issues such as abortion or gun control determine which candidate they vote for, regardless of the candidate's position on other issues, I look at the totality of the positions.

Right now, my chief concerns are:

1. Iraq - Semites have been in strife since Abraham. Who did we think we were to alter that? The Crusaders were much more ruthless than us, and they failed after three attempts. Where we are now is either kill them all, or get out. Edwards strikes a reasonable middle ground - we can't pack up and leave today, but we need to start making arrangements to decamp. Beyond that is the practicality of what is being done to the Army and Marines. The generals have been saying for a couple years we cannot maintain the pace with our current force structure, and Bush/Rumsfeld made no attempt to remedy that. Think China, Iran and NK have not taken notice? I look for them to get rambunctious as a result. It's time to fix our forces and prepare for what's coming next.

2. Constitution - Bush and his renegade AG have shredded it. Now that we will have some oversight (so popular during the Clinton Era), I believe things will come out that will shock the American conscience.

3. A level playing field - 'Free markets' (how can they be free with corporations putting their thumbs on the political scales?) are nothing more than the laissez faire the US practiced from 1780-1930. A system that did not produce a middle class, make education available to a wide segment of America, or lead to high levels of home ownership. It took the New Deal to do that. Why? Because, replicating what the Founders did, the New Deal separated power (thus decreasing the abuse of it) and gave the laborer some say in his work life. The corporatists never forgave FDR (a traitor to his class) and have worked day and night to overturn his legacy. We are nearly there, and I believe it is time for the pendulum to swing the other way.

Edwards fits into that better than any other candidate out there. Hillary is wrong on Iraq, and as a sitting senator, did not oppose the Bush disembowelment of the Constitution. I don't even think she would tread water on working issues - see her position on the BK bill and NAFTA.
Good answer. While I disagree in the following ways with some of your ideas, I find the way you state them, and your general demeanor to be refreshing.
Para. 1. I agree about 75 percent. Fighting a war half assed is about the STUPIDEST military tactic I know. I disagree with your statement that Pres. Bush doesnt also have a plan to "De-camp". Before that plan can be implemented, however, certain conditions MUST be met, or it will be a bloodbath on the scale of the killing fields of cambodia, for exactly the same reason.
The US military, despite all Big Media's caims to the contrary, is not completely tied up in Iraq. We still have 80 percent of our Air and Naval forces available, as well as 3-5 MEU(SOC)'s. We have the capability to annihalate just about any country on this planet and still not have to move any major troops out of IRAQ. China and N. korea know this. Iran knows it as well, but is in fact eager to test our resolve do to so, due to Abinajahbs desire to usher in the "12th IMAM", as well as his belief that the USlacks the will and stamina to fight a MAJOR war. remember, he came of age3 during the US embassy siege of 79' That in and of itself was an OVERT act of war, and should have resulted in immediate retaliation. Carters failure to do so emboldened the radical Islamic factions, and sowed the seeds we are reaping in the middle east today.
Para. 2 is correct in stating that the constitution is being shredded, but your timeline is off. This has been going on for DECADES! The patriot act simply made it more official, and big media made a bigger stink about it, therefore most short memoried Americans falsely assume its something new.
Par 3, I feel, is the most off base. The new deal, while, along with WWII, lifted us up from the depression, also granted the FEDERAL govt unparralled power over the state level. This in and of itself shredded the 9th and 10th amendment. There was also back then considerable rumblingss that FDR "knew" about Pearl Harbor, and allowed it to happen to give him a reason to go to war. Sound familiar? The difference, however, is that FDR refused to capitulate, cut or run, or except anything other than the total unconditional surrender of the AXIS powers. (Of course, he didnt have an opposition party willing to sacrifice American lives to get back into power, either)
I dont know Edwards personnally, and havent tracked his career that closely, so I shall refrain from comminting until I have done more research. I believe, however, that barring some MAJOR gaffe by Clinton, she will get the nomination. It will be similar to Dole's nomination in 92. He was about the worst CANDIDATE the repubs could have picked, but he won the nomination simply because of his high standings in the party. I feel the Dems may make the same mistake.
I wil admit, however, that most of this is a hunch, so, who knows?
 
Para. 2 is correct in stating that the constitution is being shredded, but your timeline is off. This has been going on for DECADES! The patriot act simply made it more official, and big media made a bigger stink about it, therefore most short memoried Americans falsely assume its something new.

Sure, our Constitutional Rights have been abridged and limited for many decades (war and foreign scares often lend themselves as convenient excuses to limit our rights). But I believe that now, more than ever, our Rights are being limited further than warranted by the circumstances. The Patriot Act is one thing... but what I find even more horrifying are the "Executive Orders" issued by our Chief. One that concerns me the most is the Executive Order incorporated into SAM orders for lawyers.

See, Executive Orders do not need Congressional approval and, as such, often have a tendency to deprive certain citizens of Constitutional rights. President's overstep their bounds by making laws through Executive Orders, when in fact, they should only be used to clarify laws. It is important to note, that the power to use Executive Orders is not in the Constitution.

Some Executive Orders have been great: Emancipation Proclamation and Desegregation in the military and schools. But Executive Orders have often been a beast: Gov't taking control of all steel mills and placing Japanese people in ghettos. President Bush's SAM order Executive Order is such a beast.

Thus, to tie it into this thread, I place the "deference to the Constitution" as a high-priority when I consider political candidates.
 
CSAR (by the way, it takes big 'uns to do that job - thank you for your service)

1. We were never going to be as ruthless with the Iraqis as we were with Japan. Since that is what it was going to take and we weren't going to do it, why go there? IMV, we were perfectly justified to tear this earth apart for OBL and al Qaeda, and break whatever got in the way. Iraq? No connection to 9/11, and we had him in a box, unlike NK and Iran. Concur regarding Naval and Air Forces, concerned about trigger pullers and the stuff they need (ferchrissake, some decent body armor and armored vehicles is not to much to ask for urban warfare! Makes you wonder where all our defense $$$ goes - I'm guessing Haliburton and the Carlyle group). I question whether we have enough for an extended trip thru NK or Iran. We both know in the end, infantry finishes the job.

2. Concur about the run-up, but it has the feeling of the end-game now, and Bush certainly stepped on the gas. Somehow we were able to get thru the cold war without the stuff Bush says he needs, and the cold war was a much bigger threat.

3. WWII definitely helped jump-start the economy, but the $$$ could have just as easily ended in the pockets of the corporations and their masters. The GI Bill changed the balance of power. I'd favor a revisit - national service in exchange for college money. TSA, New Orleans, Customs Inspections, the list is endless of where we need front line employees.

Good conversation - keep it coming.

Here's an Edwards link.

http://oneamericacommittee.com/

The odds indeed favor Hillary. I'll be working to upset the applecart.
 
Sure, our Constitutional Rights have been abridged and limited for many decades (war and foreign scares often lend themselves as convenient excuses to limit our rights). But I believe that now, more than ever, our Rights are being limited further than warranted by the circumstances. The Patriot Act is one thing... but what I find even more horrifying are the "Executive Orders" issued by our Chief. One that concerns me the most is the Executive Order incorporated into SAM orders for lawyers.

See, Executive Orders do not need Congressional approval and, as such, often have a tendency to deprive certain citizens of Constitutional rights. President's overstep their bounds by making laws through Executive Orders, when in fact, they should only be used to clarify laws. It is important to note, that the power to use Executive Orders is not in the Constitution.

Some Executive Orders have been great: Emancipation Proclamation and Desegregation in the military and schools. But Executive Orders have often been a beast: Gov't taking control of all steel mills and placing Japanese people in ghettos. President Bush's SAM order Executive Order is such a beast.

Thus, to tie it into this thread, I place the "deference to the Constitution" as a high-priority when I consider political candidates.
I also share grave misgivings regarding the use of "Executive orderes". They have been used and ABUSED by most all administrations that I can think of. The old maxim "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" fits woefully well here. In my view, they are in direct violation of the 10th amendment. (just for giggles and grins, how many people even know what the 10th ammendment says with out googling them? Lawyers and poli-wonks dont answer.)
I agree whole heartedly with you regarding the defference to the constitution as a high priority factor. Having said that, I support the candidate most likely to nominate strict constitutionalist jurists to the bench. As equally destructive to our systgem of laws as EO's are activist judges acting as "Super legistators" . Judges CANNOT make laws, merely INTERPRATE them. (the 9th Circus Court of Appeals come to mind here.)
Congress is certainly not exempt here either. By using some obscure rule of order, or tacking on absurd ammendments to bills that have NOTHING to do with the bills original intent, they Bastardize the lawmaking progress into so much pork barrel special interest payback.
In short, all 3 branches have become pale bloated perverted versions of their original selves. Perhaps this is why term limits seem so popular, and why the 2 major parties are falling from favor more and more.
 
In my view, they are in direct violation of the 10th amendment. (just for giggles and grins, how many people even know what the 10th ammendment says with out googling them? Lawyers and poli-wonks dont answer.)
I agree whole heartedly with you regarding the defference to the constitution as a high priority factor. Having said that, I support the candidate most likely to nominate strict constitutionalist jurists to the bench. As equally destructive to our systgem of laws as EO's are activist judges acting as "Super legistators" . Judges CANNOT make laws, merely INTERPRATE them. (the 9th Circus Court of Appeals come to mind here.)

Ah... The 10th. You don't happen to be a card-carrying member of the Federalist Society? Just so I understand your point... when you say "strict Constitutional Jurist," do you mean the Scalia and Alito (Scalito) type? As in, going back to the 1700's and Federalist Papers?

The reason I ask is because "strict Constitutional jurist" can mean different things now that "other" groups have tainted its meaning... you know, the groups that state: The Constitution is a living document and, as such, its inherent meaning changes when society changes. Thus, a "strict constitutional jurist" should allow the meaning of the Constitution to adapt to an evolving society.

I don't agree with the "others'" definition of "strict Constitutional jurist," but I wanted to understand exactly what you meant.

By the way, having lived in CA for years, I truly understand your sentiment went referring to their fed. courts as the 9th Circus Court of Appeals!
 
Ah... The 10th. You don't happen to be a card-carrying member of the Federalist Society? Just so I understand your point... when you say "strict Constitutional Jurist," do you mean the Scalia and Alito (Scalito) type? As in, going back to the 1700's and Federalist Papers?

The reason I ask is because "strict Constitutional jurist" can mean different things now that "other" groups have tainted its meaning... you know, the groups that state: The Constitution is a living document and, as such, its inherent meaning changes when society changes. Thus, a "strict constitutional jurist" should allow the meaning of the Constitution to adapt to an evolving society.

I don't agree with the "others'" definition of "strict Constitutional jurist," but I wanted to understand exactly what you meant.

By the way, having lived in CA for years, I truly understand your sentiment went referring to their fed. courts as the 9th Circus Court of Appeals!
AHHH S :censored: T! I just wrote a literary MASTERPIECE in response that would have made Hamilton proud, but I pulled the lan line out of my computer! I'll get back to ya later.
 
I am down with following original intent. The Founders intended for power to be separated, and divided it to lessen the potential for abuse (how well they understood the human condition!).

The Founders intended for the state to serve the citizen, as opposed to the historical opposite.

So rules and regs that move the goalposts in that direction work for me.

I also keep in mind our perception of intent changes. Slavery was once settled law (the Supremes said so!) - now it is not. Abortion was once illegal, now legal, and who knows going forward. Ten people can read the 2nd amendment and divine 11 different meanings.

Many 'original intenters' also proclaim that goverment should stay out of business affairs. How they square that with the commerce clause is beyond my ken.

At bottom, democracy requires an engaged and informed citizenry.

I view shortcomings in government as much our fault as anything else.
 
Still in trouble......

No new curtains on Pennsyvania Avenue,or is it curtains for Hillary?

Few presidents have been as adept as Clinton at charming ordinary voters, but opinion polls have repeatedly indicated that much of America regards Hillary as cold, calculating, strident and ideological.

In one Gallup poll last month 13% said they disliked her 9% said she was riding her husband’s coat-tails and 6% called her dishonest.
 
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