A strike does not turn into a lockout just because the company successfully replaces the striking workers. They are "locked out" in your eyes because there are no available jobs for them to come back to, which is a dircect result of their failed strike. You can't have a lockout and a strike at the same time, it's either one or the other. If all of the mechanics would have showed up willing to work and NWA would have not let them on the property, then it would have been a lockout. In this case, it was obviously a strike and that strike failed.
Hire the NW mechs who were locked out. My experience.
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Don Smith
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When they walked us out of DTW on Aug 20th I signed a form and turned most of my IDs except for the nwa ID badge. They couldn't take this one since I didn't quit. The paper I signed had a blacked out section. Later on I talked with some of my fellow strikers back home at our outstation and their sections were not blacked out. This section was the section about staying on. Why did some of us get the blacked out one? Who knows. It wasn't some kind of organized thing, everyone in our zone got the same type. All that aside I will say, I AM ON STRIKE! I tell everyone that I am still on strike and encourage them to fly other carriers. Its an increasingly easier sell BTW.
Failed??? :huh: Lets see, maintenance costs up, emergency landings up, customer satisfaction down, profits...now where did I leave those profits??? Oh here they are in the toilet. Airline ranking down. Planes filthy. Employee morale??? next to the profits. Its not over yet Beanie.
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beanie, it is a strike not a lockout. i know thru yourmgmt type style, it is a lockout. If you truly want an example of a lockout, go check out what US did to the TPA mechanics in the hangar during the first CH11 flt. They'll be the first to tell you about the lockout verus todays on going strike at SCAB AIR
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Thats what I thought. So basically, necro is in error when he called it a lockuot?
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the difference is is that USAIR mechs werent on strike. the company took it upon themselves to lock out the mech and shut the facility down and had the balls to have the sheriffs and deputies there in tpa to enforce it. but at NWA it is not a lockout as SCAB AIR is still dealing with the STRIKING MECHANICS. That is the difference and I doubt Necro is in error
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[/quote]Nerco, My company found the exact same thing in DFW where DL had laid off AMTs. We hired several and these guys Rock. The place is kept neat and orderly, work is complete and all paperwork filled out correctly. Plus, they have great attitudes. Good luck with your endeavors.
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In the present case, both NWA and AMFA negotiated under the auspices of the NMB per the requirements of the RLA from October 2004 through August 19,2005, the end of the cooling off period identified by the NMB. At issue was the entire contract, including work rules, wage reductions, pensions and medical benefits, and the outsourcing of all regularly line maintenance commitments, work done by the mechanics outside of its main hubs of Detroit, Memphis and Minneapolis.
By its letter of July 5, 2005, AMFA petitioned the NMB for release from further negotiations with NWA, NWA joined in the request, and same was granted to the parties, as the NMB determined that the parties had reached an impasse and further negotiations under its auspices was futile.
Thus, the parties were released to non-violent self-help effective 12:01am August 20, 2005; however, neither NWA nor AMFA was required to do so.
Testimony from NWA’s senior Labor Council reveals that on August 18, 2005, NWA advised AMFA that effective August 20, 2005, it is imposing the new terms and conditions of the contract and any employee wanting to maintain/return to employment effective said date was obligated to do so unconditionally under such new terms and conditions.
On August 19, 2005, AMFA’s National Director announced it chose to strike effective 12:01 am on August 20, 2005. Based upon NWA’s announcement of August 18, 2005, it would be futile for AMFA to make an offer to return to work under the terms and conditions of the old contract. Therefore, NWA changed the status quo, a lock out exists.
Take the above for what its worth.....
The state in which I work takes messing with your pay and bennies very seriously. You have a certain right to tell them where to stick it when they try to impose reductions on you.
for all intence and purposes I was locked out. :disguise:
By its letter of July 5, 2005, AMFA petitioned the NMB for release from further negotiations with NWA, NWA joined in the request, and same was granted to the parties, as the NMB determined that the parties had reached an impasse and further negotiations under its auspices was futile.
Thus, the parties were released to non-violent self-help effective 12:01am August 20, 2005; however, neither NWA nor AMFA was required to do so.
Testimony from NWA’s senior Labor Council reveals that on August 18, 2005, NWA advised AMFA that effective August 20, 2005, it is imposing the new terms and conditions of the contract and any employee wanting to maintain/return to employment effective said date was obligated to do so unconditionally under such new terms and conditions.
On August 19, 2005, AMFA’s National Director announced it chose to strike effective 12:01 am on August 20, 2005. Based upon NWA’s announcement of August 18, 2005, it would be futile for AMFA to make an offer to return to work under the terms and conditions of the old contract. Therefore, NWA changed the status quo, a lock out exists.
Take the above for what its worth.....
The state in which I work takes messing with your pay and bennies very seriously. You have a certain right to tell them where to stick it when they try to impose reductions on you.
for all intence and purposes I was locked out. :disguise:
jenny@nw
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Ah.... had to go through alot of my old text books to see this. Someone found a loophole. Interesting. Just shows what kind of a nasty company this is. Definately on strike. No wonder some people had a hard time claiming unemployment. Fascinating.
No Finman, not in "my eyes" as you say, I was looking in one of my books and it was very vauge. Seemes like fact one and fact 2 could occur at the same time.
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Ground Control, could you send me a reference to that through PM or ? I would like to get the source of that.... please.......... many thank yous.............
