How will you vote?

[MustangSally]

With the information that MF has provided so far about the contract that he is negotiating for us how will you vote? Yes or No

 

[700UW]

Kinda premature to ask someone who to vote when you dont have a TA or solid language to read.

 

[Twicebaked]

Kinda premature to ask someone who to vote when you dont have a TA or solid language to read.

Actually, it's not premature.....
There has been plenty of information that was put out for us to read and come up with a decision....
The reserve T/A itself is enough for me to say NO!
The "holiday touch" is enough for me to say NO!
The pref bid is enough for me to say NO!
You get the point.... lol
It is not premature.....

 

[Career Reserve]

Actually, it's not premature.....
There has been plenty of information that was put out for us to read and come up with a decision....
The reserve T/A itself is enough for me to say NO!
The "holiday touch" is enough for me to say NO!
The pref bid is enough for me to say NO!
You get the point.... lol
It is not premature.....

Ditto for me! 😀

 

[cynic]

Kinda premature to ask someone who to vote when you dont have a TA or solid language to read.

Everyone here has been talking about voting it down for months, why would information change their plans?

 

[MustangSally]

Actually, it's not premature.....
There has been plenty of information that was put out for us to read and come up with a decision....
The reserve T/A itself is enough for me to say NO!
The "holiday touch" is enough for me to say NO!
The pref bid is enough for me to say NO!
You get the point.... lol
It is not premature.....

Well said Twicebaked!!!!! 😀

 

[MustangSally]

So far the no's have it!!!!!

 

[US Oringinal]

I believe in being well-informed and not forming my opinions on rumor or jumpseat chatter--but there is enough known about the T/A for me to say ...not only NO, but HELL NO!!! Until we get major improvements ACROSS THE BOARD on our concessionary contract--we will continue to vote NO!

My true feeling though...we won't get a chance. We won't see a contract until we merge/buyout/get bought by another airline....Same with the pilots

The company has no incentive to get these things settled..and our Unions are hopelessly ineffective, inefficient and grid-locked. It's a shame how paralyzed they have become.....

 

[PHLfa88]

Everyone here has been talking about voting it down for months, why would information change their plans?

When you say " Everyone here" you mean the dozen on here..Yeah!

I'll vote when I see the WHOLE TA When and If it is Presented to the Membership!

 

[Twicebaked]

When you say " Everyone here" you mean the dozen on here..Yeah!

I'll vote when I see the WHOLE TA When and If it is Presented to the Membership!

There are only 6 sections left open all of which are compensation related....
There isn't much to these sections to negotiate.. it's just back and forth...
" $10 an hour raise, no $5, no $9 etc"

Most likely this will be wrapped up before the Christmas holiday and road shows in January....

 

[MustangSally]

When you say " Everyone here" you mean the dozen on here..Yeah!

I'll vote when I see the WHOLE TA When and If it is Presented to the Membership!

Have you been attending the meeting that MF has been conducting? He has been telling us what sections have been closed. So you are okay with the language in the reserve section....having to touch the holdidays....cleaning by nautical miles.....instead of being able to be out sick for 21 days and then being put on PCL you will only be able to be out 14 days before being forced to go out on PCL....agree to separating from the pilots....having to work longer and harder days.....the list goes on.....

 

[galley princess]

Have you been attending the meeting that MF has been conducting? He has been telling us what sections have been closed. So you are okay with the language in the reserve section....having to touch the holdidays....cleaning by nautical miles.....instead of being able to be out sick for 21 days and then being put on PCL you will only be able to be out 14 days before being forced to go out on PCL....agree to separating from the pilots....having to work longer and harder days.....the list goes on.....

Although I agree with most of what you say, keep in mind that US is very senior and their numbers usually hold sway. Whether this thing passes will come down to basically one thing.

How much of a raise? If it's industry standard, meaning somewhere in the vicinity of the $57/ hour that Continental voted down, it'll pass.

If it's less, then people will hear the questions and the concessions that are part and parcel of this very poor agreement. Besides what you just cited, there is the matter of the CSD program that will basically transform international flying. No more "adaptations" and a lot more work. A company window into the a/c, so no more unsupervised work, and a significant concession to those who currently fly CSD who haven't two shots in hell of being chosen by the company to have the position, unless it's a seniority based program. Unless it's seniority based, it's also a concession to the rest of us.

Our contract is a mish mash of a lot of old stuff. Other airlines do not have some of the flexibility that we have. I don't expect to keep it all, but if they want this kind of transformative system then they better come to me with significant money. Having said that, and knowing AWA these past few years, I don't expect the raise that would merit tolerating this poorly done mess.

Nor do I think that this should pass without cleaning out the "at scheduling's discretion" nonsense out of the reserve section. Whether this can be done without voting the whole thing down, I doubt, but I would defer to better knowledge on that.

 

[MAAMARCH04]

When you say " Everyone here" you mean the dozen on here..Yeah!

I'll vote when I see the WHOLE TA When and If it is Presented to the Membership!

I've already made up my mind based on the Reserve T/A alone.....my vote is NO.

Being a Reserve F/A at US Airways is not like being a Reserve F/A at any other airline. One could spend their ENTIRE CAREER on reserve. WHAT WERE MF AND CA THINKING WHEN THEY SIGNED OFF ON THE RESERVE SECTION?!! Would either one of them be willing to work for a year or 20 years under the agreement that they just handed us? I think not.

 

[PHLfa88]

Have you been attending the meeting that MF has been conducting? He has been telling us what sections have been closed. So you are okay with the language in the reserve section....having to touch the holdidays....cleaning by nautical miles.....instead of being able to be out sick for 21 days and then being put on PCL you will only be able to be out 14 days before being forced to go out on PCL....agree to separating from the pilots....having to work longer and harder days.....the list goes on.....

Like I said...When and IF the TA is presented to the membership, then I will look over the Whole thing and make my decesion then..I have NOT seen Anything other than the reserve section...Splitting with the pilots..I have No Problem! Touching holiday's..I'd rather give up a couple of days a year than EVERY WEEKEND..That to me is a plus..PBS..Bring it on!! where do you get that we will be "having to work harder and longer days" I think we are already doing that...the cleaning thing I probably will have a problem with..When it is Fully presented to the membership I will look at the WHOLE thing and decide..As well as every other F/A has to decide for them selves!!

 

[Itestwell]

I have NOT seen Anything other than the reserve section

...and that is acceptable to you? Groupings, "at scheduling's discretion", No timing out, aggressive, not seniority based whatsoever, even though that is how it is being sold? Or do you just not care, because it won't affect your seniority?


[quote/]...Splitting with the pilots..I have No Problem![/quote]

You're contradicting yourself here. The language for this particular scheduling section is not yet TA'd, and it is not yet available in its final form, which is your core argument. How do you know you have no problem with it? Do you have information we do not?

[quote/] Touching holiday's..I'd rather give up a couple of days a year than EVERY WEEKEND..That to me is a plus..[/quote]

We gave the Company the Weekend Restriction as a concessionary package to help the company stave off CH7 liquidation, in our darkest times. Do you not think we deserve to get the Weekend Restriction taken away without "trading" something for it? You honestly believe that we should be giving up something to get that back?

[quote/]PBS..Bring it on!! where do you get that we will be "having to work harder and longer days" I think we are already doing that...[/quote]

We are working longer and harder because we GAVE to this Company, twice, to [supposedly] help keep the doors open. Now that we are more financially sound, you do not believe we should be getting some of these major concessions back, without further givebacks? Again, we should trade what little we now have left to get some of these work rules we just gave up in years past? I am not expecting the 2000 agreement to be returned, but sheesh, I have yet to meet someone on the line who is willing to give up more than what we did with the last two concessionary contracts.

Again, you seem ok with PBS, but there is almost NO information out about that. The TA is not out. Do you have more information that we don't, and if so, where are you getting it?


Someone asked you how many of the meetings you have attended this year, where Mike (and sometimes Carol) gave information as to what has been negotiated, but has not made it to an E- line. Believe me, a lot was offered at these meetings, right out of their mouths. For instance, have you seen the opening JNC VAC proposal that was posted in the CLT meeting? My guess is no.