If merger approved Goodbye AFA?

[Travelpro72]

In the last flight attendant session in CLT something came directly out of Sherrys mouth that really struck me. She stated that Delta's 14,000 flight attendants and OUR measiily 8,000 flight attendants would have to revote our representation per the NMB (National Mediation Board). So we basically could become non union flight attendants? I sure hope not. Imagine the changes......

 

[deltawatch]

Take at look at what HP F/A's and cust service workers made before the HP/US hook up. If the Delta F/A don't vote to keep the union they better look out!

 

[aislehopper]

IMHO, you really do not have to worry about decertification. The DL flight attendant group has a significant number that wants the afa. From what I am reading on this forum, there is a significant amount of distrust of LCC managment in the LCC F/A group. When you add these two groups together, I think that you will have the 50% + 1 necessary for the afa to represent everyone.

If, however, the afa loses any bid to represent the combined group, I think that LCC managment would do/say/give anything to keep the afa off the property.

 

[Pylit]

The only labor group in the proposed merger that will not have to vote for union representation is the pilots, both represented by ALPA.
All the others will have to vote first whether to be represented by a union or not. The non-labor groups at DL outnumber the labor groups at US. US/NewDL could potentially become a mostly non-union carrier if the DL employees decide not to vote for representation.

 

[Elevation]

Why would you vote for AFA? Better pay and working conditions at Deltas non union shop along with no union dues. The second things start getting worse unionize (or threaten).

 

[whodoiworkfor]

hmmm, my AFA dues have basically gotten me the lowest paid in the industry and when merging with another nonunion carrier, they have given me ZERO job protection. I will be voting to NO to AFA along with the delta folks

 

[Elevation]

hmmm, my AFA dues have basically gotten me the lowest paid in the industry and when merging with another nonunion carrier, they have given me ZERO job protection. I will be voting to NO to AFA along with the delta folks

Free thinking is not allowed in the union. Bad boy.

 

[sharktooth]

Why would you vote for AFA? Better pay and working conditions at Deltas non union shop along with no union dues. The second things start getting worse unionize (or threaten).

Oh God, another group of morons.

Every time AFA made a run on the DAL F/As, the DAL F/As turned to DAL management and asked, "What will you compensate us to not go AFA? Simply compensating us the same, well, we might as well go AFA."

Like Salma Hayek as Serendipity in the 1999 movie, Dogma, doing the pole dance, going back and forth between two groups, upping the ante using the previous offer. Works every time.

"We have already established what you are, we are just trying to negotiate a price", kinda thing.

 

[safety stud]

If I am not mistaken, the AFA bylaws state that the aquiring carrier takes presidence over whether a contract or union representation has to be re-certified. Meaning LCC, being the carrier buying the assets of DAL would take presidence. It doesn't matter if they have more flight attendants than we do. LCC is a closed shop.

Section X Paragraph A: designates that if 2 or more AFA carriers engage in any merger, the bylaws will protect all
parties involved of there protective rights in regard to their own contract. Meaning, US/AWA contract hasn't yet been negotiated, finalized, and voted on. The time paramaters set up by Doug Parker would prohibit a combination of LCC and DAL unless a contract has been ratified. Trust me when I say this... AFA will not allow DAL to override a contract without specific language protecting the validity of the combined organizaion. Meaning AFA survives regardless of what the company says or does.

 

[Elevation]

Sad state of affairs when the threat of unionizing has more affect on mgmt. than the actual union does. 😀

 

[hulagirl]

Take at look at what HP F/A's and cust service workers made before the HP/US hook up. If the Delta F/A don't vote to keep the union they better look out!

HP flight attendants were in contract negotiations when the merger was announced. We are still in contract negotiations for a single contract with our brothers and sisters on the East side. HP flight attendants have not had a raise in pay with the exception of lead flight attendant pay...
The East flight attendants took concessions before the merger and pretty much have the same/similar pay scale as HP (what a coincidence)...
To be without union representation would be career suicide...

 

[MMB]

It doesn't matter if they have more flight attendants than we do. LCC is a closed shop.
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AFA will not allow DAL to override a contract without specific language protecting the validity of the combined organizaion. Meaning AFA survives regardless of what the company says or does.

Your union may want you to think that, but they lie.

Ariz. Const. art. XXV
Right to work or employment without membership in labor organization
No person shall be denied the opportunity to obtain or retain employment because of non-membership in a labor organization, nor shall the State or any subdivision thereof, or any corporation, individual or association of any kind enter into any agreement, written or oral, which excludes any person from employment or continuation of employment because of non-membership in a labor organization.

§ 23-1303. Illegality of acts or agreements violating article; strike or picketing for illegal purpose
A. Any act or provision in an agreement which is in violation of this article is illegal and void.

§ 23-1304. Prohibition of threatened or actual interference with a person, his family or property to compel him to join labor organization, strike or leave employment
It is unlawful for an employee, labor organization, or officer, agent or member thereof, by any threatened or actual interference with the person, his immediate family or his property, to compel or attempt to compel such person to join a labor organization, to strike against his will or to leave his employment.

§ 23-1305. Prohibition of conspiracy to induce persons to refuse to work with persons not members of labor organization
A combination or conspiracy by two or more persons to cause the discharge of any person or to cause him to be denied employment because he is not a member of a labor organization by inducing or attempting to induce any other person to refuse to work with such person, is illegal.

§ 23-1306. Civil liability of person violating article
A person who violates any provision of this article, or who enters into an agreement containing a provision declared illegal by this article, or who brings about the discharge of or denial of employment to any person because of nonmembership in a labor organization shall be liable to the person injured as the result of such act or provision and may be sued therefore, and in such action any labor organization, subdivision or local thereof shall be bound by the acts of its duly authorized agents acting within the scope of their authority, and may sue or be sued in its common name.

§ 23-1307. Injunctive relief from injury resulting from violation of article
A person injured or threatened with injury by an act declared illegal by this article shall, notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, be entitled to injunctive relief therefrom.


Georgia has similar laws.

 

[SKY HIGH]

hmmm, my AFA dues have basically gotten me the lowest paid in the industry and when merging with another nonunion carrier, they have given me ZERO job protection. I will be voting to NO to AFA along with the delta folks

sky high states: TWO BANKRUPTCIES got you your salary, Whodoiworkfor. Ask DELTA Flight Attendants what NO UNION REPRESENTATION got them during their bankruptcy processings---> THE SAME SALARY LEVEL. they too, make under $40.00 an hour.
Your NO VOTE to union representation would be FOOLISH.



ONLY STATING OPINIONS.

 

[Elevation]

sky high states: TWO BANKRUPTCIES got you your salary, Whodoiworkfor. Ask DELTA Flight Attendants what NO UNION REPRESENTATION got them during their bankruptcy processings---> THE SAME SALARY LEVEL. they too, make under $40.00 an hour.
Your NO VOTE to union representation would be FOOLISH.
ONLY STATING OPINIONS.

So you're saying union/non-union are the same? So you wanna pay extra for that?

The defintion of insanity comes to mind, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Try something new you can always go back, think about it.

 

[MMB]

Your NO VOTE to union representation would be FOOLISH.

So says a union rep.
$39 a month over a 30 year carrier comes to a little over $14,000. If I was paying someone $14,000 to represent me and the best they could get me was average compensation, I’d be more than upset.