If this is all about DL employee's "overwhelming desire" to unionize...

[Kev3188]

Where, or where is the Danny boy? Waiting until after the vote to handle questions that aren't puff?

Maybe he's too busy working on the AFA campaign to answer your incendiary posts?

 

[Ch. 12]

Maybe he's too busy working on the AFA campaign to answer your incendiary posts?

Guess you don't care what they do with your $$. Don't trust mgmt accounting but put all of your faith in the union's accounting? Seems a double-standard. And I guess you don't care if he puts conflicting, misleading, and/or inaccurate info to try to increase his base. You are blinded by the veil of terror they have put out there that you don't even care to ask the critical questions. I don't like poticians that only answer the planted questions and refuse to answer the real ones. A true individual/group looking out for your interests will answer all questions if they are truly out to help you and have nothing to hide. Yes...you're right...he is busy campaigning...that's why he passes on the real questions.

 

[Kev3188]

Guess you don't care what they do with your $$.

Sure I do. That's why I take the time and initiative to look up LM2's every year. I also see "what they do with my $$$" every 2 weeks when I get paid.

Don't trust mgmt accounting but put all of your faith in the union's accounting? Seems a double-standard.

Don't put words in my mouth again. Ever.

For the mgmt. side, I spend lots of time looking up SEC filings. Both are equally "accountable" (when it comes to honest reporting) not only to their employees and members respectively, but also to the gov't. for accurate reporting.

And I guess you don't care if he puts conflicting, misleading, and/or inaccurate info to try to increase his base.

I don't find his info to be any of the above. I happen to agree with his statements (both on here by him and the ones quoted from articles by you) regarding Mr. Anderson. As for the attempts at outsourcing int'l flying at NWA? I was here. Were you? I had a front row seat to watch what they tried, just as Danny Campbell had a front row seat to watch what they tried to do us on the ramp.

You are blinded by the veil of terror they have put out there that you don't even care to ask the critical questions.

This proves how little you know about me, and most union members in general. Blinded by terror? Not even close. All too well aware of how Anderson, Steenland, and the NWA BOD act? Yes.

I don't like poticians that only answer the planted questions and refuse to answer the real ones.

Me either.

And since we're of one mind on that, you should be asking why Mr. Anderson gave so many veiled answers yesterday in front of congress.

A true individual/group looking out for your interests will answer all questions if they are truly out to help you and have nothing to hide.

He's answered a lot of people's questions on here, both "hardball" and "softball" ones.

Yes...you're right...he is busy campaigning...that's why he passes on the real questions.

Maybe instead of it being a matter of "passing on real questions," he's choosing not to answer the same ones over and over? I don't know; that's something for him to answer. IMO, he's answered everyone that anyone's asked at least once.

It's also possible he has you on Ignore, though again, that's for him to answer.

 

[Ch. 12]

Kev-

Sometimes you have to ask the same ones over and over when they aren't ever addressed? Can you help me, then? Where are the union's financials? I'm sure they exist if they are a not-for-profit so it's an honest, unveiled question. I, too, like to view the financials of entities (which is still not a very truthful representation of the money trail but the best we've got).

As far as NWA BOD's past actions...have I EVER questioned them? Nope. What I have said is 'what relevance does another carrier's BOD have on DL'? I have pointed out - and I'm sorry...maybe you missed it - that the merged BOD is majority DL + one ALPA. Stating as the main battle cry what NW's BOD did in the past and to try to spin it into it is imminent in order to strike up fear and generate a 'yes' vote is bold-faced lies. The same standards you have for mgmt should be applied to the AFA and you should be enraged by the deceptive tactics but you have gobbled it up. Yes...this crap happened at NW with DIFFERENT mgmt. Spinning it to make people believe that it will happen under DL leadership tells me what little regard you have for your peers' intelligence and is insulting.

 

[Danny Campbell]

Ch. 12:

You wrote -Adding DL is clearly beneficial to the AFA who will increase dues-paying membership by 21% adding over $6 Million per year to their coffers.

Perhaps you can further define the word "coffers" -- since 100% of union dues goes RIGHT BACK into representation. Also, Delta FAs wouldn't pay ANY dues until they have voted on (and approved) their first contract. So, it is MY dues money that would fund the group until then. So, why are you so concerned with what "I" do with "my" dues money. In other words, how does this affect you -- and why are you so damn passionate about this issue. Do you work for an anti-union lawfirm or something? What's your motivation here?

You wrote...I have looked and am sure that it is avail but I am not certain where to find it, but can you please give us all a link to AFA's financials?

Search the internet -- it's called the DOL and they have every report available for viewing and download.

You wrote...As a not-for-profit, the $28 Million + collected annually (trying to get it to $34.5 Million with DL) has to all be productively used and I'm sure accounted for for governmental purposes. Since we are obviously not to trust mgmt yet the disclose their finances, can we see AFA's so that we can trust theirs?

You apparently don't know much about the Landrum Griffin Act of 1959 (LMRDA). Labor unions have FAR MORE disclosure of financial information than privately held or publicly held corporations. The playing field is ANYTHING but equal or fair.

You wrote...You and your website's propaganda repeatedly infer that DL mgmt will look to outsource 75% of international flying since NW did. You use the false premise that it is the same mgmt.

Oh gee -- sorry. I must have confused Richard Anderson, former CEO at NWA with the 'other' Richard Anderson (new CEO of Delta). How stupid of me.

You wrote...Not sure if we got different press releases (or maybe this is the part where I shouldn't trust mgmt?) but it looks pretty DL-centric with 7 DL board members, 5 NW members, and one ALPA. NOT the same mgmt.

Of course - you are right. It's only "5" NWA board members and the SAME CEO. It's a totally new management team. Again, what was I thinking.

You wrote...And if you would look at what DL has done with focusing on language-FAs, you might see where the direction is. I don't think that DL is hiring Portuguese speaking FA's to fly to MQT.

So, using your logic here....because NWA formerly used "interpreters" on our International flights AND because we agreed to a LOD (language of destination) program in our contract, than there was NO REASON or LOGIC in them still trying to outsource 75% of our flying to foreign workers, right? Ok - but they did anyway. Why did they do that? And how do you know they won't do it (again) at Delta with no union or contract? You don't know - do you? You just blindly trust that they won't, right?

You wrote....-You have said in one breath that you get nothing out of this but in another, you and your friends have said that you "don't want DL FAs ruining YOUR pay".

Please show me ANYWHERE where the "quote" you have above appears. Nobody has said anything of the sort.

You wrote...Back to airline rankings (since this was, after all, the metric you used for 'happiness' and success of AFA)...Why are fellow AFAers at UA/US the most miserable (according to the rankings?)

I'm not a UA or US FA. I work for NWA. I can explain how WE can be pro union and still provide far better service that Delta -- but I can't speak for the FAs at UA or US.

You wrote...When it comes down to it...no...you're not trying to 'protect' DL FAs. You're trying to protect NW FAs since there are 33% more DL FAs. And as has been stated...don't let DL FAs drag you down. How opportunistic to use fear and lies during the merger! Why not tell the DL FAs that it truly is NOT the same mgmt team? Why make it sound like DL is currently looking to outsource 75% of international? Hmmm...WMDs...Al Qaeda in Iraq...Saddam responsible for 9/11...slam dunk...mission accomplished. Why does this fear campaign seem eerily familiar?

Gee, I haven't even had the pleasure of laying on your couch - and you've already analyzed me (including my motives and my diabolical strategy). So, where should I send the check for $125.00 per/hour to?

My turn -- tell me about your motives. Who are you? What makes you tick? And, why the burning desire to deny Delta FAs the opportunity to have a legal contract and voice at work? Does it have to do with money -- or did a labor union do something terrible to your mother?

Danny 😉

 

[Kev3188]

Kev-

Sometimes you have to ask the same ones over and over when they aren't ever addressed? Can you help me, then? Where are the union's financials? I'm sure they exist if they are a not-for-profit so it's an honest, unveiled question. I, too, like to view the financials of entities (which is still not a very truthful representation of the money trail but the best we've got).

Start here.

As far as NWA BOD's past actions...have I EVER questioned them? Nope. What I have said is 'what relevance does another carrier's BOD have on DL'? I have pointed out - and I'm sorry...maybe you missed it - that the merged BOD is majority DL + one ALPA.

If you've never questioned them-and I believe you-then you should know all too well what they're capable of. The relevance here is that the same cast is coming over to the "new" delta that is/was at the "old" NWA (yes, I know it's 7, 5 & 1).

Stating as the main battle cry what NW's BOD did in the past and to try to spin it into it is imminent in order to strike up fear and generate a 'yes' vote is bold-faced lies.

The same people that were there when Anderson was driving the company bus....Many of whom are coming over to the Widget-or are already there....

The same standards you have for mgmt should be applied to the AFA and you should be enraged by the deceptive tactics but you have gobbled it up.

I haven't gobbled up anything. I'm smart enough to critically think for myself. By the way, maybe you missed it in my last post, but I'm not even in the AFA; I'm in the IAM.

Yes...this crap happened at NW with DIFFERENT mgmt. Spinning it to make people believe that it will happen under DL leadership

This amalgamated (sp?) mgmt. regime/BOD is not different from before. It's been a reshuffling of the deck, so to speak (former CEO of NWA to run new entity, current CEO of NWA to be on BOD, 5 of 13 BOD members from NWA, etc.

tells me what little regard you have for your peers' intelligence and is insulting.

DL'ers deserve to know what they're in for. Period. Who ever said I found them less than intelligent? Again, with the putting words in my mouth.

If you find the exchange of information between workers insulting, so be it. I can't change that. The question is; why would you? Perhaps you have an agenda that the free exchange of info threatens?

 

[Blackdog]

All I can say is "Tip of the Iceburg"....Mr. Anderson was just the 1st one to come over from NW. Do you not think that he will be followed by a whole gang of Pied Piper rats? DL people need to realize the this is a whole new Delta, with NW management running the show. They'll smile and tell you lovely things and then scr*w you up the a**. If you think that it was coincidental that Richard Anderson wound up at DL and then orchestrated this merger with his former boss Doug Steenland, then you need to go back over the rainbow. New Day Kids!

 

[Kev3188]

New Day Kids!

I had to laugh when I read this... I wonder if we'll all get some "kick ass" coffee mugs this time around? I wonder what the catchphrase will be?

 

[Blackdog]

Yeah those coffemugs they gave us after we emerged from bankruptcy lasted all of one round thru the dishwaher. Melted as fast as the 'Wicked Witch of the West' when a bucket of water hit her!

 

[2BlacknBlue]

I had to laugh when I read this... I wonder if we'll all get some "kick ass" coffee mugs this time around? I wonder what the catchphrase will be?

"We love to LIE and it shows?"


2BnB

 

[bgfish]

Can anyone at Delta answer a question for me? If you have a catastrphic illness , such as a heart attack and have to take many months off to recoup before trying to return to work. How do you get paid for all the time you need to take off work?. I heard thru the grapevine that you only get 5 sick days a year...

 

[Yankeestu]

It's a FAR different world at DL than NW.

and how different is it going to be with NW management running our company?

It perplexes me when it is okay for Executives earn $11.3 In 4 months and someone works to liberate us from the "we deserve whatever they decide to hand us mentality" and you turn it all into compensation for the indiviual willing to work for less to insure that we negotiate a contract to keep us from being further exploited.

I thank Danny Campbell for helping us at DAL that we do have the ability to stand up to management and have our voices heard. If you want to be silent.....then why don't you do just that. How dare anyone demonize anyone for trying to help them to help themselves.

You remind me of meth addicts that prefer their addiction over getting assistance.
All labor should have protections and for anyone to feel otherwise is really out of touch with todays corporate America. You really think our executives care about anything other than making profits for shareholders and themselves? Really?

Call me cynical but I want the protections from exploitation that come in the form of a contract. You don't sound stupid, you just sound naive.

 

[Yankeestu]

Can anyone at Delta answer a question for me? If you have a catastrphic illness , such as a heart attack and have to take many months off to recoup before trying to return to work. How do you get paid for all the time you need to take off work?. I heard thru the grapevine that you only get 5 sick days a year...

I think it has been upped to six or seven. Short term disability. 60% of your average salary from the last two years.

Sounds like homelessness to me.

 

[bgfish]

I think it has been upped to six or seven. Short term disability. 60% of your average salary from the last two years.

Sounds like homelessness to me.

I think that's one plus for the NW union contract where you accrue sick leave. With our contract , you accrue 8 hours a month for every month you don't call in sick. I have used quite a bit of mine over the 30 years with Airwest/Republic/Northwest-but still have enough accrued sick leave for 184 days. Wouldn't you rather have your full paycheck, instead of a disability check? Just remember, I'm inquiring, I'm not here to start a fight....We all need to have the facts from each others wages and benifits before we make a decision about our future.....

 

[Kev3188]

I think that's one plus for the NW union contract where you accrue sick leave. With our contract , you accrue 8 hours a month for every month you don't call in sick.

Actually, you accrue it at 8 hrs./mo. wether you call in or not.....