If you cannot compete with ideas then suppress

[Freedom4all]

Seems like the only way for the left to hear themselves talk these days.

 

[Ttailfan]

Seems like the only way for the left to hear themselves talk these days.

That's always been the left's way of dealing with the right. They have the media, so it isn't issues that they deal with...its just agree with the libs or we'll call you every name in the book and shout louder to drown you out and have our buddies in the media ignore you.

Like I said in a different post either on here or on another site...I don't recall which. When W had an approval rating in the 30s, he was a lame duck, powerless figure head who's agenda for this nation was dead.

Now that the big O is in the 30s, he still has a mandate, is strong and powerful, his agenda is vibrant and alive.


The media's job is not to report the facts, but manufacture not only "the facts" but also tell you what they mean to you. No...that's my job to decided.

I've long held that if the libs want their own country...let's put them to the west of the Rockies and we conservatives will keep the east. You pass your agenda for your side of the mountain and we'll do the same for ours.

 

[ORDmech]

That's always been the left's way of dealing with the right. They have the media, so it isn't issues that they deal with...its just agree with the libs or we'll call you every name in the book and shout louder to drown you out and have our buddies in the media ignore you.

Like I said in a different post either on here or on another site...I don't recall which. When W had an approval rating in the 30s, he was a lame duck, powerless figure head who's agenda for this nation was dead.

Now that the big O is in the 30s, he still has a mandate, is strong and powerful, his agenda is vibrant and alive.


The media's job is not to report the facts, but manufacture not only "the facts" but also tell you what they mean to you. No...that's my job to decided.

I've long held that if the libs want their own country...let's put them to the west of the Rockies and we conservatives will keep the east. You pass your agenda for your side of the mountain and we'll do the same for ours.

Send them to Montreal

 

[southwind]

I'll buy one of them a ticket to Europe !

 

[Ttailfan]

I'll buy one of them a ticket to Europe !

That's the funny thing. There is no shortage of socialist bastians of "idealogy" out there. If YOU WANT THAT...GO THERE. The list of countries is long and diverse. If that's your mindset, they will be happy to have you.

Why must you drag the United States, founded on personal freedom and limited government, be changed? Get the heck out of here if you love socialism so much. Leave the US alone. We'll come bail you out of your mess anyway...we always have. Why weaken this nation?

But I do not, in any way, believe that the agenda is Washington right now is socialism. I have long held and always said since the big O put his name in the running that he is a communist. He is way left of a socialist.

I just hope we can hold it together long enough to make it to the 2010 and 2012 elections.

 

[freedom]

That's the funny thing. There is no shortage of socialist bastians of "idealogy" out there. If YOU WANT THAT...GO THERE. The list of countries is long and diverse. If that's your mindset, they will be happy to have you.

Why must you drag the United States, founded on personal freedom and limited government, be changed? Get the heck out of here if you love socialism so much. Leave the US alone. We'll come bail you out of your mess anyway...we always have. Why weaken this nation?

But I do not, in any way, believe that the agenda is Washington right now is socialism. I have long held and always said since the big O put his name in the running that he is a communist. He is way left of a socialist.

I just hope we can hold it together long enough to make it to the 2010 and 2012 elections.

Things cannot remain as they always have , change will happen if we want it to or not ... The entire us economy is buring down around us right now , we simply cannot sit on our hands and go "this isn't happening " ... Other than the health care drive the president and the leaders of our country have taken strong and decisive action to prevent a depression the likes of the last one our nation once had ... However the economic problems run far deeper than our nations understanding of them ...

Social security is socialism , public education is soclaism , welfare is socclaism , medicade and medicare are socalism etc .....

It's one thing to complain about a soclaist agenda , it's another thing to offer up pragmatic solutions to our nations problems ... Do you have any ?

 

[Ttailfan]

Things cannot remain as they always have , change will happen if we want it to or not ... The entire us economy is buring down around us right now , we simply cannot sit on our hands and go "this isn't happening " ... Other than the health care drive the president and the leaders of our country have taken strong and decisive action to prevent a depression the likes of the last one our nation once had ... However the economic problems run far deeper than our nations understanding of them ...

Social security is socialism , public education is soclaism , welfare is socclaism , medicade and medicare are socalism etc .....

It's one thing to complain about a soclaist agenda , it's another thing to offer up pragmatic solutions to our nations problems ... Do you have any ?

First of all, I don't see anything that Obama is doing to shore up the nation's economy. He's just giving free handouts to corporations that have squandered away their revenue like GM, AIG, etc. He's just pandering to the unions of "big auto" and "big steel" with his joke of a program called "cash for clunkers." Not to mention it being nothing but a self defeating concept for the liberals. They demand we all drive "eco-cars." But then whine and complain that we aren't buying as much gas. Their response to that is "increase the gas tax." You're (libs in government) the moron's who demand we start driving high mpg cars...you can't have your cake and eat it too as the old cliche' says.

He has never run a business, never had to bring home a sale, never had to worry about generating revenues. So he has no clue what he's doing up there and we'll see that even more so as his time goes on.

As for my ideas...trust me when I say, they would never fly. I would strip everything in DC back to ONLY what the Constitution requires the federal government to spend money on and control. Gone would be ALL freebies. You want something from the citizen's coffers without paying into it...you WILL EARN IT in some way just like during the Great Depression. All that free money being handed out...you're going to get off your butt and plant trees, etc. That worked back then and it would work again. After a good day's work, you get your free meals, your free bed, etc.

Charity is NOT the responsibility of government. Charity is both an act of an individual AND the church. Put control of all these social programs back into the hands of those who should have them and they would not only cost less, but would be much more beneficial to those using those services because they would be able to do more for them with better run programs.

The government can't do anything more effeciently then the private sector other then the military. Government just makes everything bloated, slow and ineffecient. Doing less with far more. Where the private section is all about doing more for less.

So the bottom line is that with this free hand out addicted society, what I'd do could never happen.

 

[Garfield1966]

FDA, OSHA, FAA, CDC, FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, NTSB, USPS..... poof. Lets put Black Water, KBR et al in charge. They have our best interest at heart.

The US has the government that we want. After al, we did vote them in to office year in and year out.

 

[Ttailfan]

FDA, OSHA, FAA, CDC, FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, NTSB, USPS..... poof. Lets put Black Water, KBR et al in charge. They have our best interest at heart.

The US has the government that we want. After al, we did vote them in to office year in and year out.

Black Water? They are good at what they do, but they aren't a government military and should be allowed to be. This past season of 24 was on this very subject for those on here who aren't 24 fans.

So you list the government alphabet soup...FDA, OSHA, FAA, CDC, FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, NTSB, USPS...

I can guarentee you that every one of those agencies were run by business people and not bureaucrats...they could do as good a job, or better...for FAR LESS drain on the citizens' coffers. Note I DO NOT call it government money or even tax dollars. That money is the citizens' coffers. Its OUR MONEY that has been taken from all the hard working people to be redistributed "for the collective good." And in many cases, I don't dispute or begrudge those monies. I know taxes are a necessary "evil" for an organized society. Its the WASTEFUL spending that government promotes that irritates me and that I'm against.

So, while I could go into the FBI/CIA/DEA/ATF stuff since I am also a part time cop...I'll stick to aviation for my point.

FAA and more specifically ATC. When Ronaldus Magnus (as Rush calls him) fired all the union air traffic controllers back in the early 80s, did the airline industry collaspse and did our nation's skys run red with blood from all the dangerous planes flying around? NO. When private control towers handled air traffic, was it any less professional then when it was unionized government employees? NO. So can a private company do the same job as the government ATC? Sure. Can they do it for less? I cannot speak specifically to exact numbers, but I can say it would be in their best interest to balance professionalism with profit. And that means lower costs for the same service so the profit can be realized.


Let's look at the USPS. Can we say BLOATED? OH YES. What is their answer to lower "snail mail" volumes? Is it streamlining their operation? Is it trimming duplicated and unnecessary personnel due to lower volumes? Is it closing offices that don't handle enough volume to "pay for themselves?" NOPE...their answer is to continue to raise the price of stamps.

What does FedEx and UPS do when faced with the same situation? Trim the fat and streamline the operation. Lower costs equals profit. That's what they are in business for. Delivering your package is only the vehicle by which they manifest that profit.


There isn't a person alive who can honestly say the government is the best manager of money and resources. And if they think they can, they are dillusional. Government is only able to be government if it is bloated and inefficient. It does not generate a single dollar in revenue. It soley exists through confiscation of assets...in the form of our tax dollars. Call them fees if you want, but its still taxes. Your license plate fee is a tax. Your driver license fee is a tax. Your speeding ticket is a tax. Voluntary or involuntarily offered, but its still a tax.

Now...let me say that one thing I AM fully supportive of and always have been since it started in the early '70s is Amtrak. The horrible events of 9/11 clearly demonstrate that we have to have a viable alternative for long range/cross country travel in this country. When the entire air traffic net was grounded, we had no mass movement of people. We need Amtrak and viable private bus lines. But, is Amtrak efficiently run? No. I am sure they could better manage their business and maximize results with lower operating costs.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

I just hope we can hold it together long enough to make it to the 2010 and 2012 elections.

This country survived eight years of GW Bush, we can survive anything.

 

[tech2101]

When private control towers handled air traffic, was it any less professional then when it was unionized government employees?

Ummm, those were military air traffic controllers that filled in.

The last time I checked, the military was government run.

 

[Ttailfan]

This country survived eight years of GW Bush, we can survive anything.

Yup...W was horrible. But then, to liberals, anyone who is for freedom, small goverment, the Constitution...they are horrible.

W wasn't perfect, and I disagreed with some of what he did like his spending and allowing libs to run over him, but he was a vast improvement over Klinton and now his commrade, the big O.

 

[Garfield1966]

W and small government? Last time I checked he increased the national debt by over $4 trillion. Exactly how does that amount to smaller government? Patriot act - Freedom? Yea right. Constitution? He trampled all over it. W was a religious wing nut and that jibes just fine with your POV.

Personally, I would have rather had McCain in office and had the RNC not foisted that bimbo on him, he would have had it. OH well. My theory is te RNC knew what was going to happen and did not want the POTUS to be one of them. They knew the economy was going to tank. Easier to hang it on the dems.

 

[Freedom4all]

W and small government? Last time I checked he increased the national debt by over $4 trillion. Exactly how does that amount to smaller government? Patriot act - Freedom? Yea right. Constitution? He trampled all over it. W was a religious wing nut and that jibes just fine with your POV.

Personally, I would have rather had McCain in office and had the RNC not foisted that bimbo on him, he would have had it. OH well. My theory is te RNC knew what was going to happen and did not want the POTUS to be one of them. They knew the economy was going to tank. Easier to hang it on the dems.

That's a hell of a conspiracy theory you have there little puddy tat. Any facts to support it?

 

[Ttailfan]

W and small government? Last time I checked he increased the national debt by over $4 trillion. Exactly how does that amount to smaller government? Patriot act - Freedom? Yea right. Constitution? He trampled all over it. W was a religious wing nut and that jibes just fine with your POV.

Personally, I would have rather had McCain in office and had the RNC not foisted that bimbo on him, he would have had it. OH well. My theory is te RNC knew what was going to happen and did not want the POTUS to be one of them. They knew the economy was going to tank. Easier to hang it on the dems.

I never said W was for small government. Other then his military spending, I took considerable issue with quite a few of his expenditures. What I said was W was not perfect.

Regarding McCain, I suppose you would have preferred him. He is a liberal pretending to be a Republican. I'll happily trade Joe Lieberman for McCain. Joe is more of a republican then John ever could be. McCain is an anchor, holding conservatives back. I didn't have a presidentical candidate to vote for last November. We only had a liberal and a liberal to vote for. But I would rather have seen McCain then Obama and trust me, that's not saying much in my opinion. At least, we wouldn't have to worry about the communist agenda, just the business as usual socialist agenda that McCain would have continued.

People on the left hate W so much. I personally have a lot of repsect for the man. I don't agree with everything he did, but he was placed in impossible times with impossible opponents holding him back. Why didn't we get BinLaden? Libs in Congress dragging their feet and keeping us from going over there and getting him.

The war? Any American soldier's life lost is tragic indeed. But perspective demonstrates this is one of the most successful campaigns ever fought by the American soldier. The total death toll in Iraq is far below that of any past war we were in. But we aren't allowed to know that, it doesn't foster the hate W, W is a dunce, W is bad, anti-war agenda.

THANK YOU to EVERY vetern who has served this nation in time of war and peace. Without you, this nation could not be. THANK YOU for your service. We, as a nation, are deeply indebted to you.