I'm Sorry

[700UW]

Yes I am very involved.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Like I said, no one should make that much money for that job, its unskilled labor and there are plenty of folk who will do it for less. But instead, we have the union ensuring they get high wages, while the company that pays them goes broke.

Hey, stick together right?

Unions died years ago, they just haven't realized it.

 

[tug_slug]

Like I said, no one should make that much money for that job, its unskilled labor and there are plenty of folk who will do it for less.  But instead, we have the union ensuring they get high wages, while the company that pays them goes broke.

Hey, stick together right?

Unions died years ago, they just haven't realized it.

[post="295431"][/post]​

So has the middle class.
While it may not affect you beings your retired what about your children or your grandchildren, what about their quality of life? Why should that matter your got yours right skippy?

 

[airlinedivalish]

Actually, we have done some of those things, 700UW!
Are YOU involved with YOUR union? Trying to change things that you feel need to be changed? OR, just complaining? Sounds like you need a little anger management assistance. Chill out B)

[post="295250"][/post]​

LOL .... 700UW is worst than a whiny flight attendant.

 

[700UW]

Learn some grammar.

And the company agrees to pay the wages and would not pay them if they could not afford them.

And using your logic, every airline employee is overpaid.

 

[hulagirl]

Al is coming, and nothing is going to change it. Either y'all will see soon enough, or Parker will keep him on a short leash.

And for those who want to blame the victim, compare, up until the first BK, the metrics the employees had input into - on-time, PAWOBS, complaints, etc. versus the metric the Palace had say-so over - profits.

Who outperformed whom?

For that matter, compare the DOT metrics of US with HP over that time span.

Have a care with the bricks, folks.

What the deal is, those left standing at U desperately want this merger to work. And they are terrified, with evident justification, the U virus will spread to HP.

Think about this. Generally, you want your dad to beat up the other kid's dad.

The U employees are rooting for HP's dad.

We all need to remember that Parker did not make these appointments on his own. Your CEO was part of this marriage also, and has equal say (for now) on some of these appointments. Let's work together to inform the combined workforce regarding which men/women in management are bad. Parker will not keep someone around if he finds that they are not good for the organization as a whole. He is a good, fair guy.

[post="289415"][/post]​

 

[LUV2FLYHIGH]

Okay... Stop now it hurts !!!!

 

[diogenes]

Like I said, no one should make that much money for that job, its unskilled labor and there are plenty of folk who will do it for less. But instead, we have the union ensuring they get high wages, while the company that pays them goes broke.

Hey, stick together right?

Unions died years ago, they just haven't realized it.

[post="295431"][/post]​

Kindly reconcile your opinion with these facts.


http://www.twu555.org/contract.html

 

[HPearlyretiree]

I retired in my 30's so I could go to a different industry and make money so that when I'm old enough to retire for good, I'll have the dough, and the flight bennies.

There is a whole world out there that is non union, and its refreshing as hell. People get paid for their actual performance, not because they stuck around and got seniority.

 

[tadjr]

There is a whole world out there that is non union, and its refreshing as hell. People get paid for their actual performance, not because they stuck around and got seniority.

[post="296106"][/post]​

I thought this sounded like the HP Customer Service guys now. Only problem is they dont seem to be getting paid for their performance, unless of course we've been mislead? :unsure:

 

[diogenes]

I retired in my 30's so I could go to a different industry and make money so that when I'm old enough to retire for good, I'll have the dough, and the flight bennies.

There is a whole world out there that is non union, and its refreshing as hell.  People get paid for their actual performance, not because they stuck around and got seniority. 

[post="296106"][/post]​

I'm very pleased for you.

Still curious. How does WN, 90+% union, pays its rampers so well AND be profitable?

Better management?

And, IF you were a ramper, and could pick any airline you wanted, who would it be?

 

[700UW]

Hey DIO,

Don't confuse him/her with facts, lol!

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Southwest? Better union, better culture.

Look, unions are going to be in the airlines forever, thanks to legislation designed to protect the nation from a rail workers strike back years ago when railroads meant something....

But, if you get a job in the rest of America, where we all live in the real world, you would find that no one has time for unions. Companies hire people and expect them to perform to a set of guidelines and people excel and get raises because they do quality work, not because they have a union to hide behind and not just because they exist for a period of time when an automatic raise kicks in. Employees have mobility, they can switch companies and not have to worry about being thrown to the end of a seniority list.

I realize that may sound radical to the collective thinking union folk, but that is how the world is.

Thank God, because things actually get done in the real world!

 

[tadjr]

Companies hire people and expect them to perform to a set of guidelines and people excel and get raises because they do quality work, not because they have a union to hide behind and not just because they exist for a period of time when an automatic raise kicks in.

[post="296222"][/post]​

Again, I ask you...isnt this the current way at HP for the Customer Service folks? How many of them do not perform well enough to be at the "top" of the payscale after all their years with HP? Are they slackers or is there a way to manipulate the system and HP has found a way to do that (evaluations)?
I'd prefer not to have a union and be given raises on merit, but if I knew that no matter what I did, I could never reach that "topout" point, why bother trying to get there?
Seems that there is good and bad in both ways and you have people on both sides working the system when they can. Difference is, the company CAN get rid of people not doing their job in a union (it takes a little tiny effort on managements part, hence the people still around that are slackers), but those in the nonunion environment will always have that carrot dangled just out of their reach.

Of course, if there are any HP people who are topped out currently in CS, I'd love to be proven wrong.... :unsure:

 

[boxer]

HPearlyretiree

I'm curious. How did you manage to "retire" while in your 30's?
Most airlines require a minimum amount of service and a specified age.
My airline has a 10 year/age 55 threshold to qualify for pension,
health and travel benefits.