Industry Standard Wages

[Flying low]

Just go read the comments on the Local KOTV, KJRH, or FOX23 websites that are associated with the AA bankruptcty. A large number of local citizens view us as lazy, overpaid, greedy scumbags.

Actually, you can go to any on-line newspaper and read the comments about anything union related. All unions are thought of lazy, overpaid, greedy scumbags and run companies out of business.
(That's why I say picketing by unions don't do any good).

 

[TWU informer]

Actually, you can go to any on-line newspaper and read the comments about anything union related. All unions are thought of lazy, overpaid, greedy scumbags and run companies out of business.
(That's why I say picketing by unions don't do any good).

Which is why I say they could do a better job of promoting their worth, instead of funding failed political agendas,

 

[Frank Szabo]

I truly feel sorry with you. I use to harbor those same feelings. That is why I left the industry and manufactured my own change. And yes, education is what opened that door.

Education (a piece of paper that's only a third party's opinion as to one's willingness to play the game) is what opened a door for you - it's not that you couldn't do the job anyway but you were prevented from doing so by other game players.

I chose my career path years ago and it's provided a good living - my trade is not dependent on aviation and, while I can't complain too loudly, it's an arena I now wish I'd not entered 22 years ago, staying where I was building plastic injection molds; far better than fighting with idjits.

Feel sorry for me all you wish - don't forget your Rolaids.

By the way - since you aren't in the industry anymore, why do we need your company slant? We have others that provide that tripe and really don't need another - or did you just make yourself a new moniker?

 

[Buck]

Which is why I say they could do a better job of promoting their worth, instead of funding failed political agendas,

I am still receiving news stories about the Occupy protest and union involvement. It has become the focus of the TWU International.

The TWU International has little or no interest in the mechanics at AA and it would appear that a political position for Mr. Hewitt has priority over settling our contractual problems with the company.

 

[787nightmare]

I don't think he derives joy from outsourcing; rather, he's not so stupid as to think that the mechanics of one airline can successfully prevent that airline from doing what each and every other airline is doing: outsourcing a majority of heavy airframe overhauls (D checks or Heavy C checks depending on the airline). With you or without you, AA will outsource a portion of its heavy airframe overhauls. Either that, or it goes out of business. Understandably, those who pine for a repeat of Eastern long for a liquidation of AA. Most do not.

Over the past ten years, posters on this website have posted (and I'm paraphrasing here) that "it's management's job to manage the airline to try to make money and the employees should just do their assigned task."

Despite the realization that it's management's job to manage the business, contracts that prevent outsourcing also prevent management from "managing the business." Worrying about the number of jobs and not focusing on increasing pay has worked out real well for the AA mechanics, wouldn't you say? Nearly last in hourly compensation but there sure are a lot of warm bodies paying dues. As has been oft-repeated here for the last 10 years: the real failure of the TWU at AA was in embracing Arpey's failed strategy of keeping all heavy maintenance inhouse. Instead, effective leaders would have explored ways to increase compensation by offering to accept the WN contract, lock, stock and barrel. Too many in the TWU fantasized about getting WN/UPS pay for all 11,500 AA mechanics and related. Stupid fools. So where are you today? Staring down the barrel of outsourcing (with thousands of jobs lost) plus the lowest hourly pay in the industry once US and UA mechanics get their raises.

Well done, TWU. Well done. If I were a mechanic for AA, I'd be calling for heads on pikes.

Perfect FWAAA, couldn't have said it better. 🙂
Of course o/SPED knows all of this, but is charged by his masters at the Intl to refute all allegations concerning the worthless union on this & other boards. "Let the dogs bark, the AMFA train keeps rolling..."

 

[Overspeed]

Perfect FWAAA, couldn't have said it better. 🙂
Of course o/SPED knows all of this, but is charged by his masters at the Intl to refute all allegations concerning the worthless union on this & other boards. "Let the dogs bark, the AMFA train keeps rolling..."

If you are saying removal of caps on outsourcing are good then you are in the minority. Management will follow the advice if consultants to outsource until it hurts.

When Kelly at WN starts squeezing for wage concessions and other givebacks what will AMFA do? Oh wait, they already started to fold. They allowed them to outsource to El Salvador and cap AMTs per aircraft regardless of the work load. The most profitable airline with the deepest pockets and they went out with a whimper. Hey nothing like being in the 90% who loses your job to fund the other 10% that get to stay working. Go for it dude. You really know how to pick a winner.

 

[Buck]

And added a Heavy Maintenance line?

AA is not seeking wage concessions,but work rules and the right to outsource competitively. If you read Docket #3084, if approved, there will be less mechanics and comparably stock clerks. One major question in that docket is the ask of 20%. Any deviation from that 20% in the TWU's favor is the only thing that will stop the loss of jobs.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Feel sorry for me all you wish -

Re-read my post. I said I feel sorry "with" you, not for you. We all choose our own path. Sometimes the path is blocked and or detoured with the nudge of poorly run corporations like AA.

Of course this is all made possible with a worthless union like the TWU, who with people like overspeed, champion industry low wages and industry leading concessions.

If you think I take the company slant, you have mistook me for someone else. I am, and have been, a champion of skilled trade craft unions for a long time.

Good luck in your fight against the TWU/AA. If it does not work out, you obviously have the skills to benefit another employer. As will be the case for many, AA's loss will be another employer's gain.

 

[Flying low]

Read the comments at the end of this story. This is how the majority look at unions. The only supporter is a Fireman.
http://www.newson6.com/story/18698328/amr-lays-off-managers-at-tulsas-american-airlines-maintenance-base

 

[700UW]

How many times are you going to post the same post on multiple threads?

 

[787nightmare]

If you are saying removal of caps on outsourcing are good then you are in the minority. Management will follow the advice if consultants to outsource until it hurts.

When Kelly at WN starts squeezing for wage concessions and other givebacks what will AMFA do? Oh wait, they already started to fold. They allowed them to outsource to El Salvador and cap AMTs per aircraft regardless of the work load. The most profitable airline with the deepest pockets and they went out with a whimper. Hey nothing like being in the 90% who loses your job to fund the other 10% that get to stay working. Go for it dude. You really know how to pick a winner.

Yep, I know I do. Me and every other mech on this fricken board(including YOU)would run to Southwest if offered a position by them. And I don't personally see Gary Kelly asking for "givebacks" as you say, rather I feel like he'll basically tell the mechancs there, "guys we really can't afford much more in the way of monetary gains for you, but lets look at....?"
The guys at WN enjoy going to work everyday. They feel like a part of the company. Something totally foreign at AA. They'll work w WN. They know the industry and there business model is getting squeezed. But WN still kicks ass and takes names-and will continue to do so IMO.

The walls are getting ready to implode at that place you work at and I think you and the TWU know it.Maybe, just maybe, the rest of the M & R will finally wake up and realize they can't possibly do any worse with AMFA(in spite of your silly, lame ass claims-that are about to come to fruition at AA/TWU). AA will get there numbers with or without you guys. (FWAAA) 🙂
And probably without. But hey....the others may finally get the wage rate they've deserved for so long. Rather have a job worth coming back to(not that I ever will), than continue working at ever decreasing wages in order to subsidize the unskilled.
You're the one in the minority pal....

Sign an AMFA card!

 

[swamt]

If you are saying removal of caps on outsourcing are good then you are in the minority. Management will follow the advice if consultants to outsource until it hurts.

When Kelly at WN starts squeezing for wage concessions and other givebacks what will AMFA do? Oh wait, they already started to fold. They allowed them to outsource to El Salvador and cap AMTs per aircraft regardless of the work load. The most profitable airline with the deepest pockets and they went out with a whimper. Hey nothing like being in the 90% who loses your job to fund the other 10% that get to stay working. Go for it dude. You really know how to pick a winner.

You either were told wrong info or you just don't know. I must correct you here. Our AMT's are not capped. In the contract it is the minimum not the max capped.

 

[JAFI]

Yep, I know I do. Me and every other mech on this fricken board(including YOU)would run to Southwest if offered a position by them.

Not me. I couldn't be less interested in working for another airline.

 

[Buck]

I would work for Southwest, but not if given the opportunity, but by applying my trade and by meeting their standards.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

You really know how to pick a winner.

Unbelievable. A TWU champion/apologist classic post.

You should look up the term co-dependence. You epitomize it.