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[Overspeed]

Rick,
Lets do a little fact search.

Myself and others have worked under TWU negotiated concessions for over 8 years.

Meanwhile, because of AMFA drives on AA property you have made over $100,000.00 per year.

Who lost and who gained?

Your pay has gone up while your job is about to be outsourced. And that is under the TWU and you claim AMFA does.

Most of us brought skill to the table upon employment by AA,

You brought nothing but a birth certificate showing you are related to a former employee,

btw, when your job gets outsourced, do you get to remain a $100,000.00 per year organizer? Or do ou hit the street with the rest of your TWU shafted brohters?

Uh, who is Rick? My name is....not Rick. I definitely do not live in OK.

There have been AMFA drives on the property for more than 30 years. Why was my pay not raised to stellar levels then? In the late 90s the airlines were booming and none of them wanted labor unrest. It was the perfect storm of favorable circumstances for unions. If AMFA were that good at negotiating, why did they not get $45 an hour at AS now? AS is way better off now in the Northwest than any airline. They drove off the mighty WN out of their backyard and have no real competition. Shouldn't AMFA had strong leverage to get a better deal? Maybe it was that no strike clause with interest based arbitration.

I made over $100K a year before AMFA actually working OT/FT.

I am not a TWU organizer, never have been.

I have worked everything from general aviation, manufacturing, engine overhaul, airframe overhaul, helicopters, and line maintenance. I had way more than 36 months of experience to skip being a junior.

Like I said, if the CBA gets abrogated. I may not be doing ETOPS checks on days but I will still be doing PS checks on nights.

Enjoy Dave.

 

[Overspeed]

When they aboragate the CBA does that mean we no longer have to pay this worthless union. At least there will be one good thing that comes out of this.

Overpeed has to be one of the golden ATD boys. His concessions for jobs can only mean he is on the six figure ATD payrole scared he may sent back and actually have to earn a living. I still dont understand how we let these individuals rob us of two hours pay a month for the "concessions, so I can keep my six figure salary, for jobs mentality."

Nope, my name is not on there.

According to the 2008 LM-2 that AMFA filed with the Department of Labor, AMFA paid Director Olivio V. Delle-Femine $560,394. Pretty cool considering under his watch over 23,000 jobs or 90% of his membership lost their jobs and others had the pensions trashed.

Jim Little under his watch has lost how many jobs at AA due to outsourcing? Anybody? Bueller? Try none.

AMFA at AS lost more than 50% and not due to a BK motion either. At UA they did nothing to stop the outsourcing of jobs to China and Korea even though they had language to stop it. That type of professional representation deserves a raise! But then AMFA pulled that language out so only Delle could get it. NIce! IGM!

 

[Frank Szabo]

Indeed - no mention of the "twu/ibt alliance" in the response from this lover overspeed. Why would a non-AFL-CIO affiliate want to represent a group our Title 1 boys and girls, whose numbers are about to be decimated, per the company's (and its union's) drivel?

 

[Duke787]

Jim Little under his watch has lost how many jobs at AA due to outsourcing? Anybody? Bueller? Try none.

The question is, how many WILL BE lost to outsourcing. Everybody did their own OH until BK. I think it will be unfair to blame Little for outsourcing, just as it is unfair to blame Dell for a company's bad decision to outsource.

One could blame Little for bringing that non-concesual LBO from AA to us for a vote. That is why we have a union is to protect us from contracts like that.

A good documentary to watch (from Netflix) is Harlan County, U.S.A. it has everything a greedy company a corrupt union guy and a good union guy.

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

Nope, my name is not on there.

According to the 2008 LM-2 that AMFA filed with the Department of Labor, AMFA paid Director Olivio V. Delle-Femine $560,394. Pretty cool considering under his watch over 23,000 jobs or 90% of his membership lost their jobs and others had the pensions trashed.

Jim Little under his watch has lost how many jobs at AA due to outsourcing? Anybody? Bueller? Try none.

AMFA at AS lost more than 50% and not due to a BK motion either. At UA they did nothing to stop the outsourcing of jobs to China and Korea even though they had language to stop it. That type of professional representation deserves a raise! But then AMFA pulled that language out so only Delle could get it. NIce! IGM!

What does AMFA have to do with the twu and the thieves we have at AA representing us. You deflect accountability using AMFA. The truth must hurt. The time has come for the twu the job cuts are coming and AMFA or Delle has nothing to do with it. The concessions for jobs has everything to do with it. I dont care about AMFA but I do want the twu and the ATD out as much if not more than I want AA management replaced. The twu is unaccountable and unelected that is where the problem lies.

 

[FWAAA]

There certainly is no agreement about the "best" union for mechanics. They all seem to have their good points and bad points.

The Teamsters represented WN mechanics when they got their big pay raise, but a frequent explanation is that it was the AMFA contract at NW that led the way to that pay. And after the IBT brought that pay to the WN mechanics, they were tossed aside for AMFA.

The Teamsters represent the 1000 or so very well paid UPS mechanics, and of course the Teamsters have long represented the drivers at UPS, and UPS employees have long been well-paid.

Then there's the revolving door at UA, which had been represented by the IAM which was tossed aside for AMFA. AMFA had the bad timing to represent UA in bankruptcy, where pay and jobs were lost - not a recipe for satisfaction with one's union. So, predictably, AMFA was voted out and the Teamsters were brought in. And there are plenty of internet postings of dissatisfaction with the IBT among the UA mechanics.

Woe to any union that represents workers in bankruptcy where job losses and (usually) paycuts are the rule. In the unlikely (but possible) event that WN goes to its employees, hat in hand, and asks for (demands) concessions, AMFA will again be the unfortunate victim of circumstance.

There are plenty of reasons to throw off the worthless union, but pretending that job losses and paycuts happen because you were represented by the "wrong" union aren't among them, IMO.

 

[Overspeed]

What does AMFA have to do with the twu and the thieves we have at AA representing us. You deflect accountability using AMFA. The truth must hurt. The time has come for the twu the job cuts are coming and AMFA or Delle has nothing to do with it. The concessions for jobs has everything to do with it. I dont care about AMFA but I do want the twu and the ATD out as much if not more than I want AA management replaced. The twu is unaccountable and unelected that is where the problem lies.

If you seriously have hard evidence that they are thieves than let's see it. If it is just their salaries than that is nothing more than a method to deflect and polarize. You bring up the Int'l salaries as a way to say they are corrupt and I point out of that's the standard than Delle is a the master thief. If Little helped keep your job, pension, and making a better wage than all the BK people making sub-$30/hour that was pretty good. Delle did what? Delle lined his pockets to the tune of five times an AMTs salary that he represented and then lost the jobs of 90% of the members that funded his salary.

 

[Overspeed]

Indeed - no mention of the "twu/ibt alliance" in the response from this lover overspeed. Why would a non-AFL-CIO affiliate want to represent a group our Title 1 boys and girls, whose numbers are about to be decimated, per the company's (and its union's) drivel?

Call your Local. Your president should be able to tell you.

The IBT and TWU have worked together in the past and will continue to do so. M&R is more than Title I, your should know that. We are not about to be decimated as you so gleefully state. We will still continue to have more overhaul in house than WN, UA, and DL who have practically no airframe overhaul and in WN's case, no engine overhaul. Get your facts straight before you get too excited.

 

[Vortilon]

If you seriously have hard evidence that they are thieves than let's see it. If it is just their salaries than that is nothing more than a method to deflect and polarize. You bring up the Int'l salaries as a way to say they are corrupt and I point out of that's the standard than Delle is a the master thief. If Little helped keep your job, pension, and making a better wage than all the BK people making sub-$30/hour that was pretty good. Delle did what? Delle lined his pockets to the tune of five times an AMTs salary that he represented and then lost the jobs of 90% of the members that funded his salary.

Problem with your logic regarding Delle is that the position he held was not for life, and if the membership wanted him out - Bam he's done. Can't say the same for your hero - Jim Little. That Hobit look a like, and his phoney credentials should have been booted long ago. Fact of the matter is, it's embarrassing admitting that we are represented by such a lame union, and have to pay dues to it. All so they can spend it on causes that do nothing to better our careers. We need a union that focuses on the betterment of the craft and class. AMFA is the perfect fit, my donation is already in. Every chance I get, I hand out more AMFA authorization cards.

 

[Overspeed]

Problem with your logic regarding Delle is that the position he held was not for life, and if the membership wanted him out - Bam he's done. Can't say the same for your hero - Jim Little. That Hobit look a like, and his phoney credentials should have been booted long ago. Fact of the matter is, it's embarrassing admitting that we are represented by such a lame union, and have to pay dues to it. All so they can spend it on causes that do nothing to better our careers. We need a union that focuses on the betterment of the craft and class. AMFA is the perfect fit, my donation is already in. Every chance I get, I hand out more AMFA authorization cards.

No I get it. Delle had all his members removed before he was removed. He is so crafty! Then gets a nice fat check to walk away. Again, did the members vote in and out the provision in their constitution to pay him and only Delle that money?

Jim is not President for life and there are more than the 20,000 members at AA represented in the TWU. There are multiple divisions and thousands more members.

I think you should donate more to the Delle Fund. Keep it flowing, he needs it.

 

[Buck]

Jim is not President for life and there are more than the 20,000 members at AA represented in the TWU. There are multiple divisions and thousands more members.

No he is not president for life. However he will receive his salary for life.

Will he ever sit in the dispatchers chair again?

 

[Buster CRC]

Well the IBT is in Tulsa today and tomorrow to see if there is any interest in a card drive. My question is are they here to do a legit card drive or just here to split us up three ways. But they are getting alot of visiters.

 

[Buck]

What are those visitors saying?

Are the Teamsters part of the AFL-CIO?

If the Teamsters are certified, will they eventually find themselves back with the AFL-CIO.?

 

[TWU informer]

Is this the TWU/IBT alliance that Overspeed is so proud to mention?

I am all about democracy, sign the IBT cards, sign the AMFA cards and lets have an election!!!!!

Teamsters are no longer AFL-CIO, but watch your backs.
Just sign their cards and thank them for helping, while signing your AMFA cards too.

Just another choice when the election takes place.

LETS VOTE!!!!

 

[Buck]

I just believe any and all parties need to be honest concerning their intentions.

If the IBT has the idea that these mechanics can be fooled, we can remove them as fast as we certify them.