Injunction is out

[No Land Green]

A chance to move off LOA 93.

Are you really that numb to being the lowest paid in the industry?

What makes you think " A chance to move off LOA 93" is going to make a hill of beans to me financially? You have no clue of my wealth..........LMAO!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't quit your side business, I sure haven't..........LMAO!!!!

 

[A320 Driver]

Driver need a hug too? You easties are just melting down one after the other. The frustration is just oozing out of every post your put up.

But you deserve it. Your BS was going to catch up with you and it has. If its nothing for us then its LOA 93 for you.

Speaking of BS, where is the LOA 93 decision? I thought it was just hours away???

 

[Move2CLT]

What makes you think " A chance to move off LOA 93" is going to make a hill of beans to me financially? You have no clue of my wealth..........LMAO!!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't quit your side business, I sure haven't..........LMAO!!!!

Sorry, my bad. I keep forgetting you east guys all have highly successful businesses and don't need this flying job.

You sure fight like you need it though.

 

[Move2CLT]

Speaking of BS, where is the LOA 93 decision? I thought it was just hours away???

I explained what happened in a recent post. Are you telling me you don't read every post I make?!?!?

The injunction moved things around a bit and the company was able to delay the announcement until the 10/4 deadline that was imposed by Judge Conrad. Expect something soon thereafter.

 

[Claxon]

A chance to move off LOA 93 for one thing.

Are you really that numb to being the lowest paid in the industry?

Remind the western he made the lowest wages for the longest period of any pilots in the industry. The western were the scourge of the industry, and just lately climbed out of the swamp to cause more problems for respectable eastern pilots. Western pilots have caused trouble for all airline pilots from all positions they have been in with pay. But the one place they were for the majority of their sorry existence was from the lower end. Never combine with them.

 

[Black Swan]

Second verse, same as the first

Nic or Nothing.

You spout a lot of nothing, have a look at the 9th COURT OF APPEAL SAN FRANCISCO OPINION on this. Who do we believe, an idiot with time to post 40 times a day, or a FEDERAL COURT decision,,,HMMMMMMMMM " Alex, I'll take the Federal Court Decision over the Idiot for three hundred........ "


From the 9th DECISION
"Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3 "

 

[apollo]

Remind the western he made the lowest wages for the longest period of any pilots in the industry. The western were the scourge of the industry, and just lately climbed out of the swamp to cause more problems for respectable eastern pilots. Western pilots have caused trouble for all airline pilots from all positions they have been in with pay. But the one place they were for the majority of their sorry existence was from the lower end. Never combine with them.

The west pilots salary was 50 percent of the rest of the industry for 20 years, now they have the nerve to talk. west pilots want to be known as real airline pilots. They crave the need for respect after years of flying drunk, flying drugs and flying as picket crossing pilots, they set their hopes way too high.

100 percent of the west pilots are crying for the ill fated alpa internal pilot arbitration award, 100 percent of the East pilots do not. (alpa flight pay loss posters and former alpa gravy train, off all holidays scum not included,)

america west pilot salary history

 

[Black Swan]

Nope, there's really only one ultimate solution - USAPA concedes the Nic.

Why do you suppose the merger policy didn't have ALPA pick the integration methodology, but left it up to an impartial 3rd party? If ALPA had picked sides AND had ultimate authority to issue it's decision, it would be in the very same position USAPA placed themselves in.

The whole fabrication of "separate votes with veto power" is not part of the transition agreement. That would give each side the ability to tie things up indefinitely and is precisely why no such provision exists. So under ALPA, the majority votes for a combined contract would rule the day, just as now. The only difference is that the Nic methodology would not be in doubt, and no false hopes of a second bite at the apple would be raised.

So all the money wasted and earth salted between the pilot groups has gained nothing over what was available under ALPA. Yes you can still vote NO. But USAPA will quickly find that they cannot choose to indefinitely delay any vote and thereby advantage the east over the west in terms of capturing attrition or furlough protection.

The judge will likely force USAPA to negotiate in good faith inclusive of the NIC and allow a vote to take place in a timely manner. The courts should protect the process if they can't or won't protect the participants.

Another one who denies the total existance of the 9th Court of Appeals, San Francisco (the ones who spanked wake 😀 ) Why did not YOU, compromise at the WYE? Did you not clearly remember hearing being told, 'ALL THE RISK LIES WITH THE WEST..."



ALPA had been unable to broker a compromise
between the two pilot groups, and the East Pilots had
expressed their intentions not to ratify a CBA containing the
Nicolau Award. Thus, even under the district court’s injunc-
tion mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award,it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated. That the court cannot fashion a remedy

But there is more!



[8] Plaintiffs seek to escape this conclusion by framing
their harm as the lost opportunity to have a CBA implement-
ing the Nicolau Award put to a ratification vote. Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots fur-
loughs, Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3

 

[Pi brat]

Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots fur-
loughs, Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.

Didn't you mean to underline this part? ;-)

 

[apollo]

Nope, there's really only one ultimate solution - USAPA concedes the Nic.

Why do you suppose the merger policy didn't have ALPA pick the integration methodology, but left it up to an impartial 3rd party? If ALPA had picked sides AND had ultimate authority to issue it's decision, it would be in the very same position USAPA placed themselves in.

The three third party "neutral" arbiters.

George Nicolau, 85 years old. The other two were alpa pilot "neutrals" united pilot steve gillen and continental pilot, james brucia.

During the time the seniority arbitration for US Airways and america west pilots was being decided, united and continental were in informal discussions about merging with US Airways.

ual pilot gillen and cal pilot brucia should have excluded themselves as pilot "neutrals".

Now united and continental pilots are fighting over seniority. What a coincidence that ual pilots have gillen on their seniority negotiations committee and cal has brucia. gillen, brucia and alpa were less than nuetral during the US Airways, america west pilot alpa in house seniority dispute.

 

[Move2CLT]

Remind the western he made the lowest wages for the longest period of any pilots in the industry. The western were the scourge of the industry, and just lately climbed out of the swamp to cause more problems for respectable eastern pilots. Western pilots have caused trouble for all airline pilots from all positions they have been in with pay. But the one place they were for the majority of their sorry existence was from the lower end. Never combine with them.

Come on Claxon, that's just not true. No matter how much you want to believe that, we were never rock bottom. In fact, we have some industry-leading language in our current CBA and some nice perks.

And what's past is past. You guys WERE the highest paid for a FEW months, but now you're the LOWEST paid and have been for EIGHT YEARS. And you guys have managed to give away just about everything too so you really have no place talking about lowest paid anything. That is, unless you're talking about yourself.

 

[Move2CLT]

You spout a lot of nothing, have a look at the 9th COURT OF APPEAL SAN FRANCISCO OPINION on this. Who do we believe, an idiot with time to post 40 times a day, or a FEDERAL COURT decision,,,HMMMMMMMMM " Alex, I'll take the Federal Court Decision over the Idiot for three hundred........ "


From the 9th DECISION
"Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3 "

You keep forgetting to put the rest of the opinion on your posts. That's OK though, you smack of desperation so I won't pick on you.

 

[luvn737s]

blah blah blah blah blah...

All that to say "NIC or NOTHING"

Heard it...

Well, you have not put forth a compelling reason why USAPA should be allowed to pick sides in the integration process and advance the east's interests at the expense of the west.

It is NIC. The nothing part still hangs USAPA on a DFR since "nothing" is still an advantage to the east at the expense of the west. But I will concede that it is Nic first, and probably 2nd, 3rd 4th and so on until the number of votes declining all T/A's that include the NIC becomes so compelling to a judge that they grant USAPA some option to present a non-Nic T/A (at the risk of a DFR). But that is a long way off and a very long shot that such an option would be granted.

But I also think that would be a moot point since a T/A with some contract improvements and the Nic would probably pass 50%+1.

Could an east subset of USAPA sue to block it's implementation? Sure anythings possible, but not everything is likely.

 

[apollo]

But I also think that would be a moot point since a T/A with some contract improvements and the Nic would probably pass 50%+1.

What is the sum of your some. The sum of your inability to grasp reality, is why you are preaching accepting only some which would not be an increase of the sum, that the pilots at US Airways would be able to add to their sum.

Some inadequate acceptable sum you are preaching.

 

[luvn737s]

You apparently have no grasp of the concept of negotiating capital or leverage, so I'll add you to my lengthy IGNORE list.

I urge others to do so as well.