Interline F/A Jumpseats...

[RAG]

I spoke to Mike Flora the other day and inquired why we do not work out recipical jumpseat agreements with other airlines it would help with all the commutter issues. AA has worked out agrements with Southwest and Jet blue. Spirit worked out agreements with Jetblue and Airtrain why do we not work out agrements with other AFA carriers? He told me that he went to the company and they agreed to allow it however when he brought it to the MEC meeting it was voted down 4-2! call or write your LEC and ask them if and why they voted this down. He said it is not a dead issue and he will bring it up at the next meeting lets find out why this is not being passed!

 

[jimntx]

Actually, at AA we have agreements with SWA, JetBlue, AND Frontier. However, as I understand the issue, all 3 of them allow us (AA) to ride on the jumpseat if that is the only seat available.

At AA, management considers it to be a "jumpseat-qualified personnel" agreement involving people who are jumpseat-qualified. However, they do not allow anyone except AA and AE f/as to ride on the actual jumpseat. SWA, JetBlue, and Frontier f/as can ride free of charge on AA flights only if there is an available coach-cabin seat.

I heard that Frontier f/as are trying to get the agreement rescinded for that reason. If they commute, they commute to/from DEN. AA's flights to/from DEN are almost always full with revenue passengers; so, the only seat available would be an unused jumpseat. AA does not allow that.

 

[Career Reserve]

Actually, at AA we have agreements with SWA, JetBlue, AND Frontier. However, as I understand the issue, all 3 of them allow us (AA) to ride on the jumpseat if that is the only seat available.

At AA, management considers it to be a "jumpseat-qualified personnel" agreement involving people who are jumpseat-qualified. However, they do not allow anyone except AA and AE f/as to ride on the actual jumpseat. SWA, JetBlue, and Frontier f/as can ride free of charge on AA flights only if there is an available coach-cabin seat.

I heard that Frontier f/as are trying to get the agreement rescinded for that reason. If they commute, they commute to/from DEN. AA's flights to/from DEN are almost always full with revenue passengers; so, the only seat available would be an unused jumpseat. AA does not allow that.

I am glad to hear that it was a vote of 4-2. It should have been 6-0!
Our previous negotiations have made the language very protective for OUR mainline flight attendants. A lot of flight attendants commute so if we allow other airlines to take the jumpseat and one of our flight attendants is left behind, that's ONE too many. Now is not the time to be discussing jumpseats......we are working on a mergered contract.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Our previous negotiations have made the language very protective for OUR mainline flight attendants. A lot of flight attendants commute so if we allow other airlines to take the jumpseat and one of our flight attendants is left behind, that's ONE too many. Now is not the time to be discussing jumpseats......we are working on a mergered contract.

Just do it like the pilots (and I assume the other airlines that have reciprical F/A agreements) - give priority to our people (mainline), followed by Express, then OAL people.

Jim

 

[Furloughd4now]

Just do it like the pilots (and I assume the other airlines that have reciprical F/A agreements) - give priority to our people (mainline), followed by Express, then OAL people.

Jim

It would go that way anyway, the way NRSA goes. I don't see any problems, since we are working on integration anyway.

When I worked at smaller carriers they did allow OAL J/S, but company FAs had higher priority

 

[etops1]

I am glad to hear that it was a vote of 4-2. It should have been 6-0!
Our previous negotiations have made the language very protective for OUR mainline flight attendants. A lot of flight attendants commute so if we allow other airlines to take the jumpseat and one of our flight attendants is left behind, that's ONE too many. Now is not the time to be discussing jumpseats......we are working on a mergered contract.

i commute too but if the jumpseat is empty why not let a f/a from another airline occupy it? i mean of course if there is a company f/a there for it 1st then yes it goes to that individual but if it's going empty who cares? it goes both ways. this policy very well helps f/a from either airline. i use to take jetbue alot from mco to lga when i was based there since we pulled out of the lga market from mco. it helped me out alot. stop being shelfish my friend . spread the love . all we have is each other. we are not asking for managemnt to sit on the jumpseats . just our fellow f/a's. i am sure if you had the oppurtunity to ride the jumpseat on another airline that helped you get home (assuming you commute) you would take it. so think about what you are saying here. and yes , your right we are working on a meged contract why can't this be one of the things discussed for our merged contract?

 

[Career Reserve]

i commute too but if the jumpseat is empty why not let a f/a from another airline occupy it? i mean of course if there is a company f/a there for it 1st then yes it goes to that individual but if it's going empty who cares? it goes both ways. this policy very well helps f/a from either airline. i use to take jetbue alot from mco to lga when i was based there since we pulled out of the lga market from mco. it helped me out alot. stop being shelfish my friend . spread the love . all we have is each other. we are not asking for managemnt to sit on the jumpseats . just our fellow f/a's. i am sure if you had the oppurtunity to ride the jumpseat on another airline that helped you get home (assuming you commute) you would take it. so think about what you are saying here. and yes , your right we are working on a meged contract why can't this be one of the things discussed for our merged contract?

I am thinking about what I am saying. The company has Not decided whether it will be fcfs or seniority so there is Huge issue to contend with. Secondly, most of the aircraft coming out there are Embriers and many don't have a j/s to reciprocate with so only f/a's from other airlines are getting the benefit, not our mainline flight attendants.

 

[Career Reserve]

I am thinking about what I am saying. The company has Not decided whether it will be fcfs or seniority so there is Huge issue to contend with. Secondly, most of the aircraft coming out there are Embriers and many don't have a j/s to reciprocate with so only f/a's from other airlines are getting the benefit, not our mainline flight attendants. So why, at this point would we give up YET another item without compensation?
I believe we should not give without getting in return.

 

[Seatacus]

we are not asking for managemnt to sit on the jumpseats . just our fellow f/a's.

Do you think it will ever happen that agents could sit in jumpseats?

 

[jimntx]

Do you think it will ever happen that agents could sit in jumpseats?

There is no Federal prohibition against it. I was told that SWA will allow any company employee to sit on the jumpseat as long as there is no prohibition--employee is blind or otherwise incapacitated.

I may be wrong, but I think the only FAA requirement is that anyone who is allowed to sit on the jumpseat who is not "jumpseat qualified" (i.e., a company f/a) must be instructed in the operation of the applicable emergency exit--just as we have to do with window exit passenger now.

 

[Seatacus]

There is no Federal prohibition against it. I was told that SWA will allow any company employee to sit on the jumpseat as long as there is no prohibition--employee is blind or otherwise incapacitated.

I may be wrong, but I think the only FAA requirement is that anyone who is allowed to sit on the jumpseat who is not "jumpseat qualified" (i.e., a company f/a) must be instructed in the operation of the applicable emergency exit--just as we have to do with window exit passenger now.

Hey, then let's start requesting a rule change. There's too many non-rev agents to let a jumpseat go unused.

 

[etops1]

i personally think that we should go to a jumpseat policiy like jet blue has. they let any company employee occupy the jumpseat. wether it be a f/a ,pilot,mechanic,agaent,ramper, you name it. if they have a jetblue badge they can sit on that jumpseat. ofcourse there is an order to it. f/a's will always have first dibs on a cabin j/s on a fc/fs basis. then any other company employee is up for it. after a company employee then other airline f/a and pilots are up for it via a fc/fs basis as well. other ailine f/a do not have first dibs though . meaning that if let's say a united pilot showes up before a usairways f/a the united pilot gets the j/s . on their a320's jetblye usually has 2 free j/s. jetblue also lets there f/a's occupy the cockpit j/s . they get 1 free ride a year. it's caled an observation ride. all the captain has to do is ask is "is this your first time?" and f/a answers "of course it is " 😉

i personally think that we should go to a jumpseat policiy like jet blue has. they let any company employee occupy the jumpseat. wether it be a f/a ,pilot,mechanic,agaent,ramper, you name it. if they have a jetblue badge they can sit on that jumpseat. ofcourse there is an order to it. f/a's will always have first dibs on a cabin j/s on a fc/fs basis. then any other company employee is up for it. after a company employee then other airline f/a and pilots are up for it via a fc/fs basis as well. other ailine f/a do not have first dibs though . meaning that if let's say a united pilot showes up before a usairways f/a the united pilot gets the j/s . on their a320's jetblye usually has 2 free j/s. jetblue also lets there f/a's occupy the cockpit j/s . they get 1 free ride a year. it's caled an observation ride. all the captain has to do is ask is "is this your first time?" and f/a answers "of course it is " 😉

 

[Seatacus]

can you say deja vu

 

[etops1]

can you say deja vu

sorry , i clicked on it twicw by mistake. can someone please fix my post?

 

[Seatacus]

i personally think that we should go to a jumpseat policiy like jet blue has. they let any company employee occupy the jumpseat. wether it be a f/a ,pilot,mechanic,agaent,ramper, you name it.

That would be nice but I don't the F/A's would be willing to share that precious territory. Things are pretty cramped as it is. I could be wrong.