Iran's peaceful intentions

[local 12 proud]

Dialog does not work with these folks!

Israel traded land for peace and look what is happening in the Gaza strip, The Iranian backed terrorist group Hamas is taking control.

You just don't get it dude, not until the mushroom cloud is visible from your doorstep will you grasp it and then it will be too late.

Peace at any cost Gar, is that your price?

 

[Garfield1966]

And conflict has worked so well? Israel has been fighting for its existence for 50 years. Israel gave back the Sinai to Egypt. The result has been a lasting peace when them. Dialog can work if both parties want it.

Peace at any cost you ask. No, I do not believe in that. What I do believe is that armed conflict should be the absolute last resort. Sometimes, it will not work. We started a war in Iraq and by all indications that will turn out to be a failure. The people who we were trying to save do not wish to be saved. Iran will not sit idly by as we make attacks on their land. They will respond. If they have a nuke or a dirty bomb it is my opinion that they will use it. It is my opinion that the mail reason they have not already done so is because of the public out cry and the sane folks in their government are keeping them on a short leash. If you recall after 9/11, the entire world offered to help us in any way they could. Castro and Kadafi even offered assistance. When we announced that Afghanistan was the strong hold of the Taliba and OBL, the world pretty much said go for it. Take them out. OBL and the Taliban crossed a really big line and anyone protecting them is guilty by association. Afghanistan was looked at as being part of the problem but more importantly they were looked at as the instigator.

Iran has not crossed that line. Yes they are selling arms and doing "small" stuff like that but nothing blatant. The country that crosses that line first will be viewed as the instigator. If we launch an attack against Iran, they will look like the victim and they will be given cart blanch to do as they please for retaliation. I would prefer not to give them that reason.

I do not profess to know the answer. I do not believe that poking that bear is the answer. If we initiate a conflict with Iran, the out come will be bad. I think our best hope is to contain them as best as we can and hope that eventually, the people who are fed up with the BS in Iran come to power and take control. The former president was a step in the right direction. Perhaps he went to fast for the liking of the Mulahs (sp?) and nutjob came into power. Launch an attack and the mainstream folks in Iran will be washed away in a wave of blood.

As for a nuke going off on my door step. It is my opinion that event will only be hastened by any incursion into Iran. If Iran has a death wish and has their finger on the trigger, nothing we do will stop them from pulling it. On the other hand, if they are just scared and have their finger n the trigger as a retaliation, then we should not give them a reason to use it.

They are going to get a nuke. Whether it is today or tomorrow is irrelevant. They will get it and we have to deal with it. Short of turning Iran into a glass table, there is no way to stop the train. It has left the station along time ago.

 

[delldude]

And conflict has worked so well? Israel has been fighting for its existence for 50 years. Israel gave back the Sinai to Egypt. The result has been a lasting peace when them. Dialog can work if both parties want it.

For one reason the peace has lasted was Anwar Sadat,and second;Israel decimated Egypt's air force and kicked their armys butt pretty good.I think Egypt learned a hard lesson thus the lasting peace.They learned Israel with fight when threatened and pre-emptive if needed.Maybe we should learn from the Israeli's?
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Iran has not crossed that line. Yes they are selling arms and doing "small" stuff like that but nothing blatant.

Senior U.S. military officials in Iraq sought Sunday to link Iran to deadly armor-piercing explosives and other weapons that they said are being used to kill U.S. and Iraqi troops with increasing regularity.

But an analysis by a senior coalition official, obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com, concludes there is clear evidence of Iran's involvement.

"This is part of a considered policy," says the analysis, "rather than the result of low-level corruption and weapons smuggling."

Iran and the Taliban had been fierce enemies when the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan, and their apparent collaboration came as a surprise to some in the intelligence community.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.... 😉

Small stuff

If Iran has a death wish and has their finger on the trigger, nothing we do will stop them from pulling it. On the other hand, if they are just scared and have their finger n the trigger as a retaliation, then we should not give them a reason to use it.

This guy wants to usher in Armeggedon....can't you fathom that? Just keep hiding under your bed until the Bogeyman goes away.

They are going to get a nuke. Whether it is today or tomorrow is irrelevant. They will get it and we have to deal with it. Short of turning Iran into a glass table, there is no way to stop the train. It has left the station along time ago.

Lets take a hard learned lesson from the Israeli's and do something now,before its too late.

I do not believe that poking that bear is the answer.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

This guy wants to usher in Armeggedon....can't you fathom that? Just keep hiding under your bed until the Bogeyman goes away.

Delldude,

I can see that this is a possibility, however, I also understand that for thousands of years, people have thought that Armaggedon was being "ushered in." How is this different?

Here are a few examples of when people thought their circumstances were the beginning of Armaggedon (not even including the thousands of predictions):

3rd century: The Romans dramatically increased persecution of Christians, so much so that many Christians believed that the End had arrived.

During the plauges of Europe (14th century) many people predicted that the end was near.

The Crimean War (1853-56) was seen by some as the Battle of Armageddon. After all, Russia had plans to wrest control of Palestine from the Ottoman Empire.

Many viewed World War I and World War II as the Battle of Armageddon.


I do understand that Armageddon is closer now than it was at these previous times (mathmatically, it must be closer). I also understand that the re-creation of the Israeli state is also a significant factor, but such circumstances should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[delldude]

I am aware of what you brought up...at the time one can see how people would easily think the 'end' was near.
In this case.....Imineajad has stated his sole mission is to usher in 'the hidden imam' to which Islam will rein the world over....

Like Christian belief, the end of time and the appearance of the Mahdi will be preceded by a number of events foretold in prophecy. The Shi'ite, then, like many Christians, lives in a world full of signs of the impending concluding chapters of history.

So he wishes to up the bar as far as end time prophesy goes...and nukes are the icing on his cake.

This time in history.....we're with out a doubt the closest yet.

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.


But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

So sometime down the road...the Big Event won't be a sale on Fords.... 😉

 

[Gilding the Lily]

I am aware of what you brought up...at the time one can see how people would easily think the 'end' was near.
In this case.....Imineajad has stated his sole mission is to usher in 'the hidden imam' to which Islam will rein the world over....
So he wishes to up the bar as far as end time prophesy goes...and nukes are the icing on his cake.

This time in history.....we're with out a doubt the closest yet.

Yeah, definitely agree with that. He obviously has some crazy agendas... and whenever it deals with that region, it makes you think twice.