It's out

[Red Tail Bear]

WTF? Indeed!

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Sounds like a Dalfort vote to me.

 

[local 12 proud]

Sounds like a Dalfort vote to me.

should'nt you be spending time with the little lady, kidos, family member in ICU? :blink:

 

[PlayTheOdds]

should'nt you be spending time with the little lady, kidos, family member in ICU? :blink:

Well local if you are really interested the "kidos" have just been dropped off at friends houses for them to get ready for school tomorrow. The "little lady" is sitting just across the room talking with a bunch of people I do not know nor does she. I am sitting here waiting for the next fifteen minutes of visitation that will begin at nine o'clock. So I have lots of down time. Plus I just set up my flight for the trip back to DTW. I would have addressed that on the Non rev thread but B.O.B has done a fine job of bringing that one to a close.

There are some X-Dalfort guys at DTW that say they all voted for the contract. They also say they pulled their own polls of how the vote should have gone and the contract should have been accepted. In essence their votes meant nothing. Which is probably going to be the same case here.

 

[B.O.B.]

Well local if you are really interested the "kidos" have just been dropped off at friends houses for them to get ready for school tomorrow. The "little lady" is sitting just across the room talking with a bunch of people I do not know nor does she. I am sitting here waiting for the next fifteen minutes of visitation that will begin at nine o'clock. So I have lots of down time. Plus I just set up my flight for the trip back to DTW. I would have addressed that on the Non rev thread but B.O.B has done a fine job of bringing that one to a close.

If you would shut your pie hole SCAB, then the topics would not be closed by Paul.

GO HOME SCAB!

 

[robbedagain]

PTO this topic is about the contract that ITS OUT. you shouldnt be bringing in your family situations on this board. Paul is already on the roll of shutting down every topic. I do hope that your family member gets well but this aint the board to discuss it.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Yes Robbed it is. In post #77 I made the statement "Sounds like a Dalfort vote to me." Now if you do not know what that is I can understand your confusion.

In post #78 local asks me a question that is way off topic and even made it under a quote that was on topic.

In light of post #78 I made post #79, which goes into more detail about Dalfort. Dalfort was brought up in response to Kev wondering why the votes are being handled so haphazardly, as if who cares about them.

Now B.O.B. comes in with post 80 and adds nothing of value to the topic at hand. Nothing at all. Just running off at the mouth trying to stir the pot, as you guys like to say.

So here we come to you Robbed. A typical unionist pointing the finger in the wrong direction. Trying to cover for your brother at the expense of another. You Robbed and your like is the reason that unionism is in the state that it is. That is also the reason your leaders could care less about the votes cast by the IAM members and are going to do what they want. Just as the TWU did at Dalfort.

 

[local 12 proud]

That is also the reason your leaders could care less about the votes cast by the IAM members and are going to do what they want. Just as the TWU did at Dalfort.

PTO I can't speak on the IAM because I have never been affiliated with that association, but it was the IBT that once represented Dalfort employees and not the TWU. With that said you may well be right about how the "vote" gets manipulated who knows? I have stated on this board numerous times that the Industrial Unions were broken from the Top down and major changes need to be enacted, but it is still better to "Deal with the Devil you know" than going it alone with these corrupt leaders of Big Buissness.

We have gone over the pros and cons of Unionism many times here and Im not going to rehash this subject except only to say, one only needs to look at what is happening to jobs and wages in this country and you get a clear picture of what is taking place. The only way to change things, the only way to win a war is with a unified force. I can't convince you that "Unionism" is the way because you have such deep contempt, likewise you can't convince me there is any other way. The stance that you and your strike breaking buddies have taken is only exacerbating the problem and will only help reassure the destruction of my chosen craft.

I hope you enjoy your thirty pieces of silver, you had better make good use of it!

local 12 proud

 

[PlayTheOdds]

We have gone over the pros and cons of Unionism many times here and Im not going to rehash this subject except only to say, one only needs to look at what is happening to jobs and wages in this country and you get a clear picture of what is taking place. The only way to change things, the only way to win a war is with a unified force. I can't convince you that "Unionism" is the way because you have such deep contempt, likewise you can't convince me there is any other way. The stance that you and your strike breaking buddies have taken is only exacerbating the problem and will only help reassure the destruction of my chosen craft.

Nice post local but I do think you have me figured all wrong. I am not as anti-union as you think that I am. It's just that unions have over stepped their boundaries and must be brought back into check. I do not know why companies have allowed this to happen nor why unions feel that they have to come up with contracts that prevent a company from operating in an efficient manner. Regardless it is the company that must survive for it is the company that offers a paycheck. You say that dealing with a corrupt union is better than dealing with a company alone, I just cannot make any sense of that at all. For the corrupt union is going to bleed the company and the members dry. Then simply move on to the next set of suckers. Ask the Dalfort guys and now the AMFA Boys what they think. AMFA didn't turn out to be as democratic as everyone thought. Have you spoken with any AMFA AMT's that actually went on strike? They feel that AMFA lied to them from the very beginning of this. These are the same guys that walked the picket line and shined Q-beams down on us as we were working. These were highly motivated unionist that had nothing but the best interest in unionism. AMFA lied to them and failed them. When they returned here to work they were amazed at how well this operation was going. At the same time they were mad because they didn't know how well this operation was going. All they were ever told was that things were falling apart here, give it one more week. This one guy would call a gate agent he knew and all she would say is that its really bad here. Even after the first two weeks when things began to turn around for us scabs she would never say that things were improving. I will be the first to say that the first two weeks were tough... To be continued.

 

[peaches]

[/i]name='PlayTheOdds' date='Feb 20 2006, 05:15 PM' post='355453']
Nice post local but I do think you have me figured all wrong. I am not as anti-union as you think that I am.

PTO, your posts from waaaay back say that you absolutely hate the unions and that you personally wanted to see them broken. I don't know why you carry such hate for them. I can only guess that somewhere along the way either a union, or someone with a union wronged you. I don't understand why you hate a type of organization who's agenda is to make thing better for someone in your position. I cannot understand why you don't feel at least some ire towards the corporate criminals who knowingly and deliberately decimate the economy for the average person. Explain this please.

 

[TheRealSaabmeister]

For the corrupt union is going to bleed the company and the members dry. Then simply move on to the next set of suckers. Ask the Dalfort guys and now the AMFA Boys what they think. AMFA didn't turn out to be as democratic as everyone thought. Have you spoken with any AMFA AMT's that actually went on strike? They feel that AMFA lied to them from the very beginning of this. These are the same guys that walked the picket line and shined Q-beams down on us as we were working. These were highly motivated unionist that had nothing but the best interest in unionism. AMFA lied to them and failed them. When they returned here to work they were amazed at how well this operation was going. At the same time they were mad because they didn't know how well this operation was going. All they were ever told was that things were falling apart here, give it one more week.

How is AMFA corrupt? Is it corrupt because you belive all of the hateful bullsh*t you get from the IAM loving bulletin board amfanuts?

How is AMFA not democratic? Is it because of the fact that there was no vote on the last contract proposal before the strike, the one that was almost identical to the one they voted to strike over? The one that SCAB's are now using as an excuse to cross, even though they say they wouldn't have voted for it anyways?

How did AMFA lie to and fail the mechanics? Is it because of the training program that you say was kept a secret, when in fact it never was, and which, in my humble opinion, would have failed had AMFA's own members not become selfish cowards and become SCAB's?

I personally don't know whether or not local 12 has talked with any of the AMFA AMT's that went on strike, but I have.

PTO, have you talked to any of the mechanics that are actually still on strike?

And I believe that it's a proveable fact that things aren't going smoothly, and that things are continuing to fall apart. Every account I've heard is that the morale inside is down the drain. There are more and more occurences of problems with aircraft. MEL count's are still high (and I know what you are going to say PTO, how the math doesn't add up, were doing a great job taping everything up, etc. etc. etc.) but they are, even with a reduced schedule and fewer aircraft. But even if the MEL counts aren't high, the on-time numbers are still down at the bottom. AND NWA "surrendered" their 145 certificate because you guys weren't able to pass muster.

You said in a post in a different topic that you heard that at one time, NWA had 9000 mechanics, and you asked what they were doing. They were working, doing almost everything in house, and doing a damn good job. But ever since they started outsourcing, things have been getting worse and worse.

Outsourcing+880 SCAB's = A disaster waiting to happen.

 

[robbedagain]

now pto look who is the truly confused scab? I have not been confused about anything I have ever said in my posts. my posts are generally aimed at discrediting you because you are a union hater.
The judge I am willin to bet will destroy the pilots and the F/As contracts and then they will strike and that will be the end of NWA.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

No Peaches I do not hate all unions. Just the ones these guys are affiliated with. As far as unions agendas being to make things better, well that in itself is debatable. Especially for someone in my position. Nothing has happened here at Northwest since I have been here that would justify me needing a union. They have paid me an acceptable wage, I have given them 100% and they in return have given me basically my choice of assignments. Where is the need for me to require a union? The unions have failed the AMT profession. They have failed to keep up with the current trends in the aviation industry. they have let overseas out sourcing go unchecked and have neglected the third party shops. They have continued to badger and put forth ridiculous demands on the airlines while at the same time undermining the people they are supposed to protect. My experiences with unions is very limited but the few occasions I worked in union shops I was not impressed at all.

Why do I not feel any "ire" towards the companies? Sometimes I do and when I do I quit and find employment elsewhere. Most of the time though it is simply that I understand what a company is. It is a machine built for the exclusive purpose of making money for the people that went out on the limb to invest in its conception. The employees are parts to this machine and if anyone thinks they are any more than that they are setting themselves up for a grand disappointment.

If unions were so worried about the AMT profession they would have been lobbying congress the FAA and any other government body that has anything to do with air transportation demanding that US FAA Certified Mechanics be the only ones allowed to work on US registered aircraft. They should have organized every A&P mechanic there is and had Nation wide strikes until someone listened. Did any of this happen? No the unions themselves are so divided that they have rendered themselves ineffective. They had a good ride and will not rock the boat to keep the dues coming in. Sorry Peaches I just have no sympathy for ignorance.

PTO, have you talked to any of the mechanics that are actually still on strike?

No I have not but I would like to. Why don't you set that up for me?

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

PTO,

Quote;

"But I do think you have me figured all wrong. I am not as Anti-Union as you think I am"


"YOU" crossed a legal Union picket line"

"THAT" makes you a FILTHY, SMELLY, BOTTOM FEEDING, SELF CENTERED, OPPERTUNISTIC......."SCAB" !!!!!!!!
(Or did you conveiniently FORGET that part) ??

"NOW" SMELLY SCAB, tell us again how we've got you figured WRONG !!!
:down: :down: :down: :down:

NH/BB's

 

[PlayTheOdds]

No NH/BB as you so eloquently asked, I did not forget that part... I'll discuss this further with you guys tomorrow. I have got to go to bed. I have a day job to wake up for. No union required for that one.