James Little, TWU president, pushes in-house work at American Airlines

[amt66]

HSS

The writting is on the wall "brother" with all the new 737's, airbuses, 787, and 777-300 what did little say
was going to happen with the Tulsa mechanics as we no longer have checks that need to be accomplished?
Since it will be yrs down the road until they need heavy checks, what was his plan for that?

He also said he agrees that a merger with USAir is a good thing, so did he say how they were going to intergrate the USAir guys in or are we going to be intergrated into their senoirity list? Who's going to be the next TWA GUY us or them?

Did he talk about how long the two companies would operate seperately as UAL and CAl are?

"Since 2003 our guys have decreased the amout of time for checks," so did anyone ask him well why didn't they the TWU save the jobs of those workers who, put the wing tips on, decreased the check times? Why didn't they dig deep into American pockets as they said ? Oh I guess those guys just worked themselves right out of a job.

Its a real shame when guys who's families are in Tulsa agree to work for less, take positions as OSM.
Are these the same guys who said that the line guy's should not make more or get a regional pay to offset the cost of living?

The airlines model is changing and if you guys in T-Town dont see the writting on the wall, airline are going to contract
out as much work as they can. AA is the last of the big carriers to have in house maintenance.
There is Nothing that the TWU can do to save YOUR job. They can tell you what you want to here but some where down the road here AA is going to follow Delta/UAL/CAL/SWA jetblue and Alaska. Just like they filed for BK.
maybe you get a few yrs more but its coming, just think about that.

The TWU is going to get as much money (DUES) out of us as they can before they say well thats the way its is "brother"
we fought the fight but?

If the TWU was serious about bringing back work they would attempt to get all UNIONs in the Industry together
and force the FAA, (put preasure on them) to bring work back to the USA.
Did J. Little say he would work with the IAM/IBT/AMFA at all of the carries to do this NO.

Ratchet up Capacity to use the Tulsa base available space? Did anyone ask him doing what since the work will not be done for many yrs with new Aircraft ariving every month?

With work going away there will be LESS work for machinist, What are you saying?

Well said

 

[swamt]

Ever hear the term "sittin on a gold mine"? That is what AA has in Tulsa for piece part repair. I think there will be allot of growth in that aspect of the operations here at Tulsa M&E center and that means more qualified machinists will be in high demand... B)

As an outside observer, you sure do preach and post as management from AA. Just saying...

 

[1AA]

As an outside observer, you sure do preach and post as management from AA. Just saying...

You said right.

 

[TWU informer]

Ever hear the term "sittin on a gold mine"? That is what AA has in Tulsa for piece part repair. I think there will be allot of growth in that aspect of the operations here at Tulsa M&E center and that means more qualified machinists will be in high demand... B)

It was good that Jim Little came to Tulsa to remind the company and the community of the post bankruptcy commitment to grow the maintenance operations here in Tulsa. This is good news 🙂

There is now, and will be a more urgent need for machinists. Those who can meet the qualifications should get their name in the hat...

You are such a gullible human being.

You believe anything TWU or AA tells you.

There is a merger coming, you gave away your job security clause, and here you are living a fantasy just because the appointed James C. Little showed up.

Even after watching the MCI and AFW base close you still toot your horn.

Wake the "F" UP!!!

Truth is we cannot compete because we have no accountability in management or union ranks.
Your Union will be advocating upgrades that have no skill because Uncle Billybob will say they are skilled and have been for years. The piece part scrap rate will go up and the turn time will go down. The production control group is as bad as they come in the industry and we will continue to work the wrong parts at the wrong time.

If you were assured a future and work, then Little would not have to be here to "push for work" to begin with. This trip was just like his famous "We will fight like hell" statement, it is confirmation that there is a serious threat and problem.

Not to mention your hire pay and benefits for skilled machinist lag behind even the non-union shops in town.

Pull your head up out of the kool-aid before you drown.

 

[DNTULSA]

Ever hear the term "sittin on a gold mine"? That is what AA has in Tulsa for piece part repair. I think there will be allot of growth in that aspect of the operations here at Tulsa M&E center and that means more qualified machinists will be in high demand... B)

Two minor items:

1. There is a merger in the works. After a merger a lot of people lose their jobs.

2. Most of the TULE shops have outdated test equipment .

Also:

A whole lotta mechanics and others will be laid off at the line stations.
Tulsa will take another hit.
Where is the money going to come from to update the shops?

Highspeed, I own some swamp land in Florida that I would like to sell you!

 

[High Speed Steel]

I think a merger would be good for Tulsa M&E. Talk about an opportunity for US Air. They could sign the dotted line and "presto" be able to overhaul their fleet by the best in the industry with quality workmanship and compatible turn times. A merger would indeed cause growth in Tulsa... 😉

 

[dfw gen]

Hss ur an idiot

 

[amt66]

Hss ur an idiot

You got that right! Usair doesn't need Tulsa they farm out most if their maint. I'm looking right now at AAR's hgr in Mia and their are currently 5 737's in their!

 

[700UW]

I think a merger would be good for Tulsa M&E. Talk about an opportunity for US Air. They could sign the dotted line and "presto" be able to overhaul their fleet by the best in the industry with quality workmanship and compatible turn times. A merger would indeed cause growth in Tulsa... 😉

US all ready has a fine bunch of AMTs working on their planes in CLT, PIT and PHX, so are you saying that US AMT's are quality mechanics?

And AA and US have totally different fleet makeups and maintenance programs.

 

[High Speed Steel]

US all ready has a fine bunch of AMTs working on their planes in CLT, PIT and PHX, so are you saying that US AMT's are quality mechanics?

And AA and US have totally different fleet makeups and maintenance programs.

I'm not trying to discredit the US AMT's at all. They too will still be needed. Only pointing out the quality overhaul service we offer here in Tulsa 😉

 

[700UW]

So US doesnt offer quality mtc in CLT, PIT and PHX?

And US doesnt need TUL for it mtc overhaul, we have plenty of room all ready, 50% of billable man hours must be done in-house, and CLT and PIT are protected stations, and TUL only has a two year security agreement with US.

 

[High Speed Steel]

So US doesnt offer quality mtc in CLT, PIT and PHX?

And US doesnt need TUL for it mtc overhaul, we have plenty of room all ready, 50% of billable man hours must be done in-house, and CLT and PIT are protected stations, and TUL only has a two year security agreement with US.

The two year security agreement is a stink pickle but I believe we would prove our value to the new company and see growth for the Tulsa M&E center...

 

[TWU informer]

The two year security agreement is a stink pickle but I believe we would prove our value to the new company and see growth for the Tulsa M&E center...

The only way Tulsa survives is if the Corporate Welfare check is higher than the other bidders.
AA needs a new Test Cell to replace the one at AFW. The Trent and GE-90 will need a new test cell (bigger) than Tulsa has. This is the only reason TAESL stayed open for now.

Give AA a new Test Cell, let them outsource the back shop piece part work and you will see growth with a tear down buildup, balance, and test engine shop. Like TAESL is now.

Keep destroying everything using upgrades and lack of skill, and rejecting accountability, and you will destroy the whole base.

I doubt you have a clue yet, but the overhaul manuals for the new engines from G.E. will be full "proprietary repairs" and you will not even have access to this manual unless there is a agreement between law firms. I am sure you know already how much is going to outsource overseas because of this very issue right now? At least 30% of the shop work in my area goes to Singapore because of this proprietary repair issue. According to the GE reps, the whole engine will be that way on the next generation.

What the hell is a "stink pickle" and who signed it?

 

[bigjets]

The two year security agreement is a stink pickle but I believe we would prove our value to the new company and see growth for the Tulsa M&E center...

You're fooling yourself, AA doesn't care about your value or the quality of work you do, if they did AFW & MCI would both still be open. I would be willing to bet the reasons TUL is open is because of the tax incentives from Tulsa and the willingness of the TWU to make us the lowest paid mechanics to keep TUL open and the dues coming in.

For a conservative state, you OK boys sure do love your socialist way of doing things.

 

[Bob Owens]

I think a merger would be good for Tulsa M&E. Talk about an opportunity for US Air. They could sign the dotted line and "presto" be able to overhaul their fleet by the best in the industry with quality workmanship and compatible turn times. A merger would indeed cause growth in Tulsa... 😉

Ok the quality is second to none but was the quality and turn times better than MCI or AFW? IIRC Tulsa had the worst dependability of the three bases. some of that could be attributable to volume but,,,

If they can get a good deal from DFW wouldnt it be even better to turn that quality and turn time out of DWH without tying up crews and burning fuel?

As an outsider the biggest drawback to Tulsa is its remoteness. Planes have to be routed or ferried there, using up costly fuel and valuable crew time. The plus was the corporate welfare they recieved there, but apparently the taxpayers have grown weary of that. With $4/gallon gasoline pumping up its oil industry and large orders from Boeing bringing more work to Spirit maybe AA isn't as important to Oklahoma any more. Maybe the city figures Spirit may give them a better return if they were to move into spaces occupied by AA. As the wages converge between the two there is less reason to justify the corporate welfare because its no longer offsett by high payroll tax revenue.