JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Personally if you work OT then be charged. No sign up...no charge. I myself don't do very much OT

Thank you sir.

4 to 1 now.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok all. Thanks for the comments and suggestions on the overtime. Ttyl.

Had fun tonight CB.

Thanks.

 

[Tim Nelson]

CB.
 
We know the 8 double time on the 2nd DO is sexy, but there are other issues that should receive a bit of a priority over the double time.
 
--For instance, in the TWU the OT is distributed to the entire "work unit," which is considered the entire ramp. On the US side, I believe, the OT is assigned via the "duty assignment," which could be divided to several areas within the ramp. If there is an area that received a higher percentage of the OT, there could be a whole segments of Members that would not be eligible for the OT.
 
--Then the US side has separate lists for the Ramp guys and the Leads (Crew Chief). On the TWU side, we have one list but if there is a Lead (CC) needed, they can skip those not qualified to reach the Member with the proper qualifications.
 
--The TWU equalization lists goes to 0 at every bid.
 
--We also should prioritize eliminating the US language which allows at PT to get extended to cover a PT opening or positions. On the TWU side, the FT OT goes before the PT extensions.
 
Just a few points of the top of my head, I'm sure there are more complicated issues to go over. If the Members realized the complexity of this process, then we believe the frustrations felt would not be so heightened.

 

[WeAAsles]

The idea on overtime should be on fairness. On the one hand, you are uncomfortable with whole segments of workers presumably not eligible for OT, but on the other hand, you want to put part timers at the bottom of the sign up list, is that correct? I'm full time, and i'm sure the company would prefer part timers to be on a separate list to cover part time openings just because it's cheaper for the company. But, from my perspective, overtime is about equalizing all around, and I think it should recognize a difference between part time and full time. No right or wrong in this, but since part time is a minority, will they ever be able to get overtime if full timers are prioritized over them for all overtime? At any rate, if the NC chooses to make sure FT is priority over PT then it benefits me, not that I would want it that way.

I have to admit on the rarest of occasions you do impress me there Tim. I was hoping someone would catch on to the hypocrisy of that comment and my money believe it or not was on either you or AANOTOK. 

Good show.

I'm guessing that I can put you down as 5 to 1 now?

And a mutual friend of ours informed me to search for a little item that was in your IAM constitution. Have to admit it made an impression.

Article K Section 3, Page 143 

http://www.voteiam.com/images/Constitution2008.pdf

 

[WeAAsles]

 
 

CB.
 
We know the 8 double time on the 2nd DO is sexy, but there are other issues that should receive a bit of a priority over the double time.
 
--For instance, in the TWU the OT is distributed to the entire "work unit," which is considered the entire ramp. On the US side, I believe, the OT is assigned via the "duty assignment," which could be divided to several areas within the ramp. If there is an area that received a higher percentage of the OT, there could be a whole segments of Members that would not be eligible for the OT.
 
--Then the US side has separate lists for the Ramp guys and the Leads (Crew Chief). On the TWU side, we have one list but if there is a Lead (CC) needed, they can skip those not qualified to reach the Member with the proper qualifications.
 
--The TWU equalization lists goes to 0 at every bid.
 
--We also should prioritize eliminating the US language which allows at PT to get extended to cover a PT opening or positions. On the TWU side, the FT OT goes before the PT extensions.
 
Just a few points of the top of my head, I'm sure there are more complicated issues to go over. If the Members realized the complexity of this process, then we believe the frustrations felt would not be so heightened.

Tim you deleted your comment? What gives? It was fantastic. I so much would like to read  NYer's response to it?

Here let me post it again.
 
Tim Nelson, on 18 Jun 2016 - 11:38 PM, said:

The idea on overtime should be on fairness. On the one hand, you are uncomfortable with whole segments of workers presumably not eligible for OT, but on the other hand, you want to put part timers at the bottom of the sign up list, is that correct? I'm full time, and i'm sure the company would prefer part timers to be on a separate list to cover part time openings just because it's cheaper for the company. But, from my perspective, overtime is about equalizing all around, and I think it should recognize a difference between part time and full time. No right or wrong in this, but since part time is a minority, will they ever be able to get overtime if full timers are prioritized over them for all overtime? At any rate, if the NC chooses to make sure FT is priority over PT then it benefits me, not that I would want it that way.

 

 

[700UW]

I have to admit on the rarest of occasions you do impress me there Tim. I was hoping someone would catch on to the hypocrisy of that comment and my money believe it or not was on either you or AANOTOK. 

Good show.

I'm guessing that I can put you down as 5 to 1 now?

And a mutual friend of ours informed me to search for a little item that was in your IAM constitution. Have to admit it made an impression.

Article K Section 3, Page 143 

http://www.voteiam.com/images/Constitution2008.pdf

You are welcome.

 

[WeAAsles]

You are welcome.

You deserve a cool song for that cool steer tonight. Yea he may be a right wing nut job now but man in his day the dude could play some sweet licks. 

Disclaimer: If you're language sensitive please do not play. If you're not enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7yS8YS_lW8

 

[WeAAsles]

Duly noted.
 
If someone has a problem, it is their problem.

NYer I wanted to come back to this because it was one of your more simple responses. You need to learn something about people and their problems. I don't care how many positions you've held or hold today. Your job is to try and help them with their problems, not to own them. They still have to carry their own responsibilities and figure out the best way in their own lives to deal with them.

I hope you really are involved and active in Unionism for the benefit of others and not yourself or the need to feed a personal ego? Because if you're not sincere the World will crumble around you pretty fast.

But honestly if you really are sincere you're not going to be able to carry the weight of everyone on your shoulders. Just try to be as honest as you can and you did do your job well. You're the only one who can judge yourself.

 

[Tim Nelson]

NYer I wanted to come back to this because it was one of your more simple responses. You need to learn something about people and their problems. I don't care how many positions you've held or hold today. Your job is to try and help them with their problems, not to own them. They still have to carry their own responsibilities and figure out the best way in their own lives to deal with them.
I hope you really are involved and active in Unionism for the benefit of others and not yourself or the need to feed a personal ego? Because if you're not sincere the World will crumble around you pretty fast.
But honestly if you really are sincere you're not going to be able to carry the weight of everyone on your shoulders. Just try to be as honest as you can and you did do your job well. You're the only one who can judge yourself.

Will you please focus? I believe the members already decided who they can trust more between you and NYer. As far as asking him to be honest, maybe since you work in the same station you can lose your anger and walk up to him and give him your personal counsel on his demeaner (sp?), from your perspective, instead of grandstanding and being a FB warrier.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I have to admit on the rarest of occasions you do impress me there Tim. I was hoping someone would catch on to the hypocrisy of that comment and my money believe it or not was on either you or AANOTOK. 
Good show.
I'm guessing that I can put you down as 5 to 1 now?
And a mutual friend of ours informed me to search for a little item that was in your IAM constitution. Have to admit it made an impression.
Article K Section 3, Page 143 http://www.voteiam.com/images/Constitution2008.pdf

Part timers have gotten hosed all the way around with the iam contract, as they have become our main subsidy other than vendors. They get half the pension contribution from the company...why?, then get a credit tax on their pension if they dont work 1600 a year (32hours a week) which i can comprehend. But if they cant make up hours due to being placed at the bottom of ot list then they risk their pension getting nailed with the credit tax. Never mind they pay double for insurance.
Trust me, me and other full timers will have so much greater opportunity as FT if we embraced NYer approach to equitability, and ill take advantage of it if its in our contract, but im uncomfortable to keep sticking it to part timers.

 

[WeAAsles]

Will you please focus? I believe the members already decided who they can trust more between you and NYer. As far as asking him to be honest, maybe since you work in the same station you can lose your anger and walk up to him and give him your personal counsel on his demeaner (sp?), from your perspective, instead of grandstanding and being a FB warrier.

Didn't you comment to me just yesterday about getting involved in others conversations?

But anyway thank you for the advice on my anger. I'll try to keep it more in check in the future just for you. 🙂

 

[WeAAsles]

Part timers have gotten hosed all the way around with the iam contract, as they have become our main subsidy other than vendors. They get half the pension contribution from the company...why?, then get a credit tax on their pension if they dont work 1600 a year (32hours a week) which i can comprehend. But if they cant make up hours due to being placed at the bottom of ot list then they risk their pension getting nailed with the credit tax. Never mind they pay double for insurance.
Trust me, me and other full timers will have so much greater opportunity as FT if we embraced NYer approach to equitability, and ill take advantage of it if its in our contract, but im uncomfortable to keep sticking it to part timers.

So I'm confused here? Are you for or against NYers idea of continuing to hose the PTers?

Uncomfortable is not exactly taking a stand on the issue Tim.

 

[AANOTOK]

You deserve a cool song for that cool steer tonight. Yea he may be a right wing nut job now but man in his day the dude could play some sweet licks. 

Disclaimer: If you're language sensitive please do not play. If you're not enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7yS8YS_lW8

78' graduate here. I would be remiss if I allowed you to show a picture/video of Ted Nugent and not mention that
"Stranglehold" was one of the greatest songs ever...probably longer than that!  🙂

 

[robbedagain]

Why should PTers continue to get hosed? In my station our PT work as many as 6 flights yet our FT gets 6 to 8 and typically the heavy ones. DFW and MIA as well as PHX. That's unfair consider our PT work btwn 4.0 hrs n 5.5 hrs.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So I'm confused here? Are you for or against NYers idea of continuing to hose the PTers?
Uncomfortable is not exactly taking a stand on the issue Tim.

No confusion. If i represented and negotiated for an entire group, id think it would be more inequitable to privilege full timers with part time openings. So, if it was up to me alone, id have pt list so pt can be first to fill pt openings. But if thats not how the negotiators see it, and if they prefer nyer opinion, then thats how it will be and ill take full advantage of it as a full timer.