JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

700 is here to pollute the page and make people scatter like cockroaches off this page. Obviously, there is nothing of substance with him. He attacks anyone who rattles the cage or expresses an opinion that is not in line with the IAM. Then he claims that they somehow have aligned with an agenda espoused by me. Just ridiculous.

I remember a few months back on FB I was under attack by two self professed AA geniuses. You and 700 together jumped into the conversation and pulverized those two guys. You guys (again together) were so brilliant that I even backed off because I knew I couldn't do any better. It was honestly masterful to watch.

Too bad I don't see that more often cause you two actually work very well together when you're on the same page.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Oftentimes, members wonder why our union can't engage in concerted activity, but the Labor Organization says you can't do concerted activity due to the RLA.

That is incorrect. The RLA only prohibits primary strikes until after section 6 exhaustions. The RLA is silent on sitdowns, slowdowns, sick outs, overtime bans, secondary strikes, or any other concerted activity that may affect a company premises.

The reason why a sickout, slowdown, overtime ban, etc., is illegal is because of the language that management secured in your contract that the Labor Organization agreed to. Such language explicitly prohibits certain things, and implicitly prohibits other things. For that reason, a sickout would be illegal. An Overtime ban would be illegal. Not that such concerted activity has limited unions previously that have breached contracts. But, to clarify, the reason why such things are illegal is due to a breach of your contractual language, not the RLA. Moving forward, I hope our Labor Organization limits the language below or lifts some of the restrictions.


C. It is understood and agreed that the Company will not lock 32 out any employees covered hereby, and the Union will not 33 authorize or take part in any strikes, sit-down, slowdown, or 34 picketing of Company premises during the life of this 35 Agreement until the procedures for settling disputes as 36 provided herein and provided by the Railway Labor Act, as 37 amended, have been exhausted. The Company will not 38 require the employees hereunder to cross picket lines of the 39 Company's employees legally established under contractual 40 provisions and the Railway Labor Act on or in front of the 41

 

[bob@las-AA]

Nice threat, have fun in the cornfield.

If anybody should be muzzled, it's you!

 

[WeAAsles]

If anybody should be muzzled, it's you!

As a current AA FSC I welcome his participation on our thread. And since this is an open Forum message board he's under no restrictions not to make comments if he'd like. Essentially he has liberty to be in our house.

I asked someone else to leave our house yesterday myself since he is NOT an AA employee, or Union member.

That gentleman also refused my request as expected.

Can we get back to AA Fleet negotiations conversations now?

 

[700UW]

Maybe the mods should change the topic to bash 700.

 

[AANOTOK]

As a current AA FSC I welcome his participation on our thread. And since this is an open Forum message board he's under no restrictions not to make comments if he'd like. Essentially he has liberty to be in our house.

I asked someone else to leave our house yesterday myself since he is NOT an AA employee, or Union member.

That gentleman also refused my request as expected.

Can we get back to AA Fleet negotiations conversations now?

Was told yesterday the steam (negotiations) was picking up. I took that as a positive.

 

[Kev3188]

Oftentimes, members wonder why our union can't engage in concerted activity, but the Labor Organization says you can't do concerted activity due to the RLA.

That is incorrect. The RLA only prohibits primary strikes until after section 6 exhaustions. The RLA is silent on sitdowns, slowdowns, sick outs, overtime bans, secondary strikes, or any other concerted activity that may affect a company premises.

The reason why a sickout, slowdown, overtime ban, etc., is illegal is because of the language that management secured in your contract that the Labor Organization agreed to. Such language explicitly prohibits certain things, and implicitly prohibits other things. For that reason, a sickout would be illegal. An Overtime ban would be illegal. Not that such concerted activity has limited unions previously that have breached contracts. But, to clarify, the reason why such things are illegal is due to a breach of your contractual language, not the RLA. Moving forward, I hope our Labor Organization limits the language below or lifts some of the restrictions.


C. It is understood and agreed that the Company will not lock 32 out any employees covered hereby, and the Union will not 33 authorize or take part in any strikes, sit-down, slowdown, or 34 picketing of Company premises during the life of this 35 Agreement until the procedures for settling disputes as 36 provided herein and provided by the Railway Labor Act, as 37 amended, have been exhausted. The Company will not 38 require the employees hereunder to cross picket lines of the 39 Company's employees legally established under contractual 40 provisions and the Railway Labor Act on or in front of the 41

Getting rid of that would be a great move, and would likely be a great benefit to labor.

My guess is that the company would attach a huge "ask" to removing even a single word of it, and would likely counter win something mirroring the language in NK's T/A.

I'm sure P. Rez and co. know the value of being able to withhold one's labor.

 

[WeAAsles]

Was told yesterday the steam (negotiations) was picking up. I took that as a positive.

Well I'm sure that yesterday the company presented their OT proposal to our committee. If they really want to speed things up then you would assume they didn't just present the worst items between the two contracts and at least presented a mixture of the best and worst of the two?

 

[WeAAsles]

Getting rid of that would be a great move, and would likely be a great benefit to labor.
My guess is that the company would attach a huge "ask" to removing even a single word of it, and would likely counter win something mirroring the language in NK's T/A.
I'm sure P. Rez and co. know the value of being able to withhold one's labor.

I doubt any governing body will ever agree for any of the major airline employees to ever lawfully strike ever again? When was the last major legal strike?

So the language is irrelevant anyway.

Next.

 

[Kev3188]

No language is irrelevant.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

In regards to AANOTOK's attack on 700UW, I feel this attack is justified as 700UW is analogous to the obnoxious schoolyard bully. He dominates every thread and, like his ally WeAAsles, appoints himself board moderator at every turn. He's condescending and a blowhard. Like every bully he needs a punch in the nose every now and then. This bully just never gets it.

 

[700UW]

http://www.twu.org/blog/tabid/84/vw/1/itemid/830/default.aspx
 


President Lombardo Meets with AA Negotiating Team

Published 21 Jun, 2016
International President Harry Lombardo met with presidents of TWU’s American Airlines locals yesterday, taking a short break from ongoing negotiations preparations for an honest and frank status check on bargaining with the company.
 
“We’re investing an incredible amount of resources into this,” Lombardo told the group. “And if you need more, tell me. Don’t tell me what you think I want to hear. Tell me what I need to hear.”
 

 
Lombardo pledged TWU International’s unconditional support to the negotiating team, and encouraged them to continue to take a hard line leadership role at the bargaining table. “There are no back room deals to be made in this administration,” he explained. “You know what your members need, and we’re going to take this company on, together, to make sure they finally get it.”
 
The group discussed what articles had been agreed upon so far, and how the negotiation process has been working for the last several months. They strategized new tactics for future bargaining meetings, including how to better communicate with membership, and the ongoing Today We Unite unity campaign.
 
Secretary Treasurer Alex Garcia also joined the meeting to hammer out specific contract items with the group as they prepare to return to the table later this week.
 
“We’ve been at this seven months already,” Lombardo remarked. “It’s no one’s fault but American Airlines’ that more progress hasn’t been made.”

 

[WeAAsles]

No language is irrelevant.

In regards to AANOTOK's attack on 700UW, I feel this attack is justified as 700UW is analogous to the obnoxious schoolyard bully. He dominates every thread and, like his ally WeAAsles, appoints himself board moderator at every turn. He's condescending and a blowhard. Like every bully he needs a punch in the nose every now and then. This bully just never gets it.

You know you can say whatever you want about 700 but the one thing I do notice about the man is that he never makes the "presumption" to include himself on what "our" negotiators or us should do. We have another guy on this thread right now again that is NOT an AA employee or even a Union member with any contract whatsoever. He works at an airline as an at will employee and lives under whatever that airline "chooses" to give him.

But he has IMO the extreme audacity to come here and tell us what WE should do? We might as well have a Eulen or Global contractor coming on here and making suggestions. What he "used" to be a part of is long gone and in the past. And even Tim (who is an AA employee and union member) has said basically that what he had is never coming back.

And as for me. I'm an a AA TWU/ Association Fleet service dues paying member who is directly affected by these conversations and the outcome of OUR talks. So I'll converse about that here as I see fit.

 

[Kev3188]

That's cute. Good for you.

Still doesn't change what I posted. When people (not just you) deem language as "irrelevant," there are usually unintended consequences that follow...

And again; if you (or anyone) doesn't like what I write, either put me on ignore, or scroll right on by.

 

[WeAAsles]

That's cute. Good for you.
Still doesn't change what I posted. When people (not just you) deem language as "irrelevant," there are usually unintended consequences that follow...
And again; if you (or anyone) doesn't like what I write, either put me on ignore, or scroll right on by.

Sorry. I'm not allowed to put a lock on MY refrigerator and prevent you from trying to eat MY food.